Christianity

[Gary Childress]

I wonder if hell is where all the voices of the oppressed and disenfranchised will drown out the holy choir for those who pissed them off?

[Age]

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May I suggest you stick to your biggest decision of each day, which is WHAT side of the bed should you crawl your pathetic arse out of.

Here we have ANOTHER EXAMPLE of WHEN I CHALLENGE and QUESTION one of these posters here regarding their BELIEFS and/or CLAIMS, they just RUN AWAY.

The BELIEVING human beings, back in the days when this was being written, were the most USELESS and WORTHLESS beings when it came to backing up and supporting their BELIEFS and CLAIMS.

I only had to ask them one question only and this SHOWED and PROVED just how INCAPABLE they REALLY WERE.

In post after post of mine how INCAPABLE these posters were can be CLEARLY SEEN.

This one CLAIMS that people are reincarnated into families, which they 'deserve', while another CLAIMS that God is some male gendered person/thing, yet I just each of these one ONE VERY SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION, for CLARIFICATION, regarding what they BELIEVE is ABSOLUTELY TRUE, and the only thing they can both do is just resort to ATTACKING the one asking them a question, and then just RUNNING AWAY

[Age]

If there's a Yahweh. Then now would be a great time to strike down both Biden and Putin. Maybe that will end this insanity.

LOL EVERY one of 'you', adult human beings, are EQUALLY the SAME as each other. AND, WHEN 'you' ALSO WORK OUT HOW and WHY 'you' are ALL the way 'you' ALL ARE, then 'you' WILL SEE and UNDERSTAND this Fact, AS WELL.

[Age]

I wonder if hell is where all the voices of the oppressed and disenfranchised will drown out the holy choir for those who pissed them off?

If ANY one REALLY wants to KNOW WHERE 'hell' IS, EXACTLY, and WHAT the word 'hell' refers to, EXACTLY, then this can be and IS VERY EASILY DONE, and VERY SIMPLY I will add.

[henry quirk]

What if what transforms the universe from " aJackson Pollok affair" to an orderly system is human mind?

Nah, we discover those rules of operation, we recognize that consistency, coherence, symmetry and elegance. The beauty is there to find.

We ain't the source of it.

Your core argument is respectable and honest and sensitive and I completely understand it , and also the feeling of care for "the rules of operation".
You seem also to understand the alternative as suggested by me, although you prefer to believe the rules of operation are extra-mental.

Kind words overall, B: thanks. But, no, I don't prefer to believe, I just, as I say, recognize.

[Immanuel Can]

Again. We are supposedly being played with the same deck of cards, ergo, play your hand by the call u insist..that is where is YOUR evidence that all wo/men are here upon the Earth in their first and only incarnation to face judgement as if ALL had an equal affair in the matter?

I constantly present evidence..

No, as everyone keeps pointing out to you..you have zero evidence.

That's verifiably untrue, but either way (as I've repeatedly explained now) not even relevant for the present moment. For even if I had none, that would not give you some. Your faith has to stand or fall on its own evidence, not my alleged "zero" thereof.

And you've presented nothing for reincarnation. Why?

[Immanuel Can]

I constantly present evidence and reasons for what I believe.

But NOT when I challenge you.

Heh. What you say never actually even makes a lick of sense.

[Immanuel Can]

I wonder if hell is where all the voices of the oppressed and disenfranchised...?

I hate to remind you of this, Gary...but you aren't oppressed. And you're not disenfranchised.

You live in the richest society in history, among the top 10% of the world's populace, at the most technologically advanced period of history. You have food every day, clothing, shelter, medicine, disposable income, an education, a job and a computer. You have freedom of choice, freedom of consumption, a voice anytime you like, and you get to vote every four years.

Time to count your blessings, and think about the people who are really oppressed. Just saying.

[Will Bouwman]

I don't prefer to believe, I just, as I say, recognize.

Maybe that's the point. We don't choose what we find beautiful, if we are lucky, we find things, music, art, people that we recognise.

[Gary Childress]

I wonder if hell is where all the voices of the oppressed and disenfranchised...?

I hate to remind you of this, Gary...but you aren't oppressed. And you're not disenfranchised.

You live in the richest society in history, among the top 10% of the world's populace, at the most technologically advanced period of history. You have food every day, clothing, shelter, medicine, disposable income, an education, a job and a computer. You have freedom of choice, freedom of consumption, a voice anytime you like, and you get to vote every four years.

Time to count your blessings, and think about the people who are really oppressed. Just saying.

Concentrate, IC. Did I say I was oppressed or dienfranchised? Why might I be asking that question?

[Belinda]

I don't prefer to believe, I just, as I say, recognize.

Maybe that's the point. We don't choose what we find beautiful, if we are lucky, we find things, music, art, people that we recognise.

It may be simply good luck, but it is usually formally learning the idiom, whatever that may be.
You can't recognise a lot until someone has taught you how to read, and see linear perspective, and hear musical forms and harmonies.
Ask Henry who taught him to read. It was not down to luck he learned to read, it was down to someone who made the effort to teach him.

[henry quirk]

I don't prefer to believe, I just, as I say, recognize.

Maybe that's the point. We don't choose what we find beautiful, if we are lucky, we find things, music, art, people that we recognise.

It may be simply good luck, but it is usually formally learning the idiom, whatever that may be.
You can't recognise a lot until someone has taught you how to read, and see linear perspective, and hear musical forms and harmonies.
Ask Henry who taught him to read. It was not down to luck he learned to read, it was down to someone who made the effort to teach him.

We're kinda strayin' away from the context...

AJ said...

If there is a 'creator god' and that god created the world (the cosmos, literally the entire manifestation of everything) that is simply a declared possibility but no specific religion or religious ethical system is thereby supported from the intuited assertion.

My response...
We can, though, posit an ethic.

We can take a gander at what is (includin' ourselves) and make some minimal guesses as to the nature of a creator god and what it might want. Reality is, and Reality has rules of operation, so we might say this is a purposeful creator god with an eye toward sumthin'. Our universe doesn't seem to be a Jackson Pollock affair. There's consistency and coherence, symmetry and elegance to Reality apart from what we say. That is: the whole thing is beautiful.

And there's us, mankind. We do all manner of unique things (which I heap under the label of free will [but that's me...you see it as you like]) settin' us apart from and perhaps above other life. And, as I've pointed out over & over, every last one of us, no matter where or when, seems to have a deep in the bones understanding I am my own.

So, an ethic we can mebbe draw from this, a minimal, sensible rule about what (a creator god believes) is and isn't permissible might be: a person, any person, is his own and no one ought lay claim to him. We can infer if a person is his own and no one has a claim to him, it's wrong for such a claim to be made.

We're left with, as you (AJ) say...the same puzzlement and wonder at the entire manifest universe. And one has no clear way to explain or to understand how any of this came about...but we aren't bereft of a means of navigatin' it.

[Belinda]

Henry Quirk wrote:

So, an ethic we can mebbe draw from this, a minimal, sensible rule about what (a creator god believes) is and isn't permissible might be: a person, any person, is his own and no one ought lay claim to him. We can infer if a person is his own and no one has a claim to him, it's wrong for such a claim to be made.

This creator god as you describe him was all very well for a small nomadic tribe under attack from every quarter, but the creator god as described by the parable of the Good Samaritan is more to the taste of people who have become civilised.

[Immanuel Can]

Concentrate, IC. Did I say I was oppressed or dienfranchised? Why might I be asking that question?

I don't think you know any genuinely "oppressed" people, Gary. If you've always lived in the West, I can pretty much guarantee that.

But maybe you have travelled to the Two-Thirds of the current world that lives well below the standards of everybody in the West. If you have, you've never said so. And maybe you're deeply concerned about them. But then you wouldn't be whining to us about it, would you? Because we have no power over what happens in Colombia or Congo or North Korea.

So I think you must have meant somebody you think you know. But they're not the "oppressed." So it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Good powers of concentration, no?

[henry quirk]

This creator god as you describe him was all very well for a small nomadic tribe under attack from every quarter, but the creator god as described by the parable of the Good Samaritan is more to the taste of people who have become civilised.

It almost seems like you're doin' comparison/contrast between the Hebrew and Christian depictions of God.