Re: Is Evolution random or non-random
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2026 6:42 pm
That involves reading, not posting.
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That involves reading, not posting.
Actually, it involves questioning and getting answers...something that's starting to feel like an unfamiliar experience here.
No, I stayed on subject, and pursued the question of what you were actually trying to say...which still isn't clear, by the way. All you've said is that natural laws magically appear out of the nothing that you seem to think created the universe. That's what you seem to want any of us who are reading what you write to believe. We might not, though.
No, I think that if you posit a non-random metaphysics for the universe, you're accidentally implicating an intelligence behind the design, whether you realize it or not.
Maybe I don't care if the universe was created by a god or not.No, I think that if you posit a non-random metaphysics for the universe, you're accidentally implicating an intelligence behind the design, whether you realize it or not.
That would be a bit odd. It would quite simply be the most consequential thing there could ever be in all of history. One could hard remain rational and be merely indifferent to it.
What is a consequence of knowing whether or not a god created the universe?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 9:57 pmThat would be a bit odd. It would quite simply be the most consequential thing there could ever be in all of history. One could hard remain rational and be merely indifferent to it.
So many things. For one thing, it means that we are not accidents. It means there's a plan and intention behind our being here. We were wanted. We are purposed. We have direction and meaning.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:01 pmWhat is a consequence of knowing whether or not a god created the universe?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 9:57 pmThat would be a bit odd. It would quite simply be the most consequential thing there could ever be in all of history. One could hard remain rational and be merely indifferent to it.
You still can't understand that the subject is evolution and not whether god is the creator of evolution.That would be a bit odd. It would quite simply be the most consequential thing there could ever be in all of history. One could hard remain rational and be merely indifferent to it.
It's certainly a fascinating question and would definitely be an earth-shaking discovery. Upon happening, I can see a lot of squabbles over who God likes more and why. And when something bad happens, there would probably be speculation about who is or is not pleasing God with their behavior and therefore caused it. But what else would be gained if God didn't openly come out and say to each and everyone what he wanted or expected?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:05 pmSo many things. For one thing, it means that we are not accidents. It means there's a plan and intention behind our being here. We were wanted. We are purposed. We have direction and meaning.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:01 pmWhat is a consequence of knowing whether or not a god created the universe?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 9:57 pm
That would be a bit odd. It would quite simply be the most consequential thing there could ever be in all of history. One could hard remain rational and be merely indifferent to it.
And depending on what the nature of this God is, many more things follow, too.
That would be futile. Surely God would have his own view of that.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:18 pmIt's certainly a fascinating question and would definitely be an earth-shaking discovery. Upon happening, I can see a lot of squabbles over who God likes more and why.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:05 pmSo many things. For one thing, it means that we are not accidents. It means there's a plan and intention behind our being here. We were wanted. We are purposed. We have direction and meaning.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:01 pm
What is a consequence of knowing whether or not a god created the universe?
And depending on what the nature of this God is, many more things follow, too.
Not much. And this is why I say it depends on the sort of God who exists.But what else would be gained if God didn't openly come out and say to each and everyone what he wanted or expected?
What if there is a God and God is a sort of "absentee landlord"? Other than the claims of different holy books circulating around that can't seem to agree with each other, what in our world suggests that God is not an "absentee landlord"?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:25 pmThat would be futile. Surely God would have his own view of that.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:18 pmIt's certainly a fascinating question and would definitely be an earth-shaking discovery. Upon happening, I can see a lot of squabbles over who God likes more and why.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:05 pm
So many things. For one thing, it means that we are not accidents. It means there's a plan and intention behind our being here. We were wanted. We are purposed. We have direction and meaning.
And depending on what the nature of this God is, many more things follow, too.Not much. And this is why I say it depends on the sort of God who exists.But what else would be gained if God didn't openly come out and say to each and everyone what he wanted or expected?
If it were, for example, the Deistic god, then it would change some things. Our lives might still have a reason for us existing, for example, which could not be said if the Deistic god didn't exist. But we would all be equally perplexed about things like why he created us, what we were supposed to do, whether good and evil are important, and so on, because, being a sort of "absentee landlord," he'd not be coming back, not expecting anything of us, and not particularly interested in where we end up. His existence would be mostly unimportant to us.