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Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 5:43 pm
by Impenitent
Si vis pacem, para bellum...
-Imp
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:01 pm
by phyllo
If you want war, prepare for war.
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:03 pm
by Impenitent
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:01 pm
If you want war, prepare for war.
ignoring the wolves doesn't make them vanish
-Imp
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:14 pm
by phyllo
Who is ignoring bad or evil behaviour?
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:43 pm
by Impenitent
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:14 pm
Who is ignoring bad or evil behaviour?
pigs in straw or wood houses
-Imp
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 7:47 pm
by Immanuel Can
Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:43 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 6:14 pm
Who is ignoring bad or evil behaviour?
pigs in straw or wood houses
-Imp
Nice.
Yes, exactly that!
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:16 pm
by Immanuel Can
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
Pretty simple.
People are not good at all times and in every interaction.
Yes, we know that. The question is, "How can that happen?" After all, if people are "essentially good," it should not even be possible: there'd be nowhere from which any evil or "wolfishness" could even come.
So where does the "not good" stuff come from?
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:20 pm
by phyllo
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:16 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
Pretty simple.
People are not good at all times and in every interaction.
Yes, we know that. The question is, "How can that happen?" After all, if people are "essentially good," it should not even be possible: there'd be nowhere from which any evil or "wolfishness" could even come.
So where does the "not good" stuff come from?
You changed "basically good" to "essentially good". Right?
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:33 pm
by Immanuel Can
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:20 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:16 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
Pretty simple.
People are not good at all times and in every interaction.
Yes, we know that. The question is, "How can that happen?" After all, if people are "essentially good," it should not even be possible: there'd be nowhere from which any evil or "wolfishness" could even come.
So where does the "not good" stuff come from?
You changed "basically good" to "essentially good". Right?
Choose your language as you like. The problem's still the same: what is the source of "evil," or "wolfishness" in human beings?
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:36 pm
by phyllo
"Basically good" doesn't mean 'purely good' or 'only good' or 'unable to be bad'.
It just means that there is much more good than bad.
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:39 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:16 pm
So where does the "not good" stuff come from?
Again, I
know the answer and I am prepared to talk through it in such a manner that the intelligent and sensitive will understand. It is really not that difficult to understand.
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:40 pm
by Immanuel Can
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:39 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:16 pm
So where does the "not good" stuff come from?
Again, I
know the answer and I am prepared to talk through it in such a manner that the intelligent and sensitive will understand. It is really not that difficult to understand.
Then talk. Nobody's stopping you.
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:40 pm
by Immanuel Can
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:36 pm
"Basically good" doesn't mean 'purely good' or 'only good' or 'unable to be bad'.
It just means that there is much more good than bad.
Where does the "bad" stuff come from?
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:45 pm
by phyllo
Ignorance, indifference, self-centeredness.
Re: Fabianism
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:49 pm
by Immanuel Can
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:45 pm
Ignorance, indifference, self-centeredness.
Okay, so you're saying that human beings come ignorant, indifferent and self-centered, not just good.
Would you trust somebody ignorant, indifferent and self-centered to run your Socialist state?