Fabianism

[Impenitent]

Si vis pacem, para bellum...

-Imp

[phyllo]

If you want war, prepare for war.

[Impenitent]

If you want war, prepare for war.

ignoring the wolves doesn't make them vanish

-Imp

[phyllo]

Who is ignoring bad or evil behaviour?

[Impenitent]

Who is ignoring bad or evil behaviour?

pigs in straw or wood houses

-Imp

[Immanuel Can]

Who is ignoring bad or evil behaviour?

pigs in straw or wood houses

-Imp

Nice.

Yes, exactly that!

[Immanuel Can]

Pretty simple.

People are not good at all times and in every interaction.

Yes, we know that. The question is, "How can that happen?" After all, if people are "essentially good," it should not even be possible: there'd be nowhere from which any evil or "wolfishness" could even come.

So where does the "not good" stuff come from?

[phyllo]

Pretty simple.

People are not good at all times and in every interaction.

Yes, we know that. The question is, "How can that happen?" After all, if people are "essentially good," it should not even be possible: there'd be nowhere from which any evil or "wolfishness" could even come.

So where does the "not good" stuff come from?

You changed "basically good" to "essentially good". Right?

[Immanuel Can]

Pretty simple.

People are not good at all times and in every interaction.

Yes, we know that. The question is, "How can that happen?" After all, if people are "essentially good," it should not even be possible: there'd be nowhere from which any evil or "wolfishness" could even come.

So where does the "not good" stuff come from?

You changed "basically good" to "essentially good". Right?

Choose your language as you like. The problem's still the same: what is the source of "evil," or "wolfishness" in human beings?

[phyllo]

"Basically good" doesn't mean 'purely good' or 'only good' or 'unable to be bad'.

It just means that there is much more good than bad.

[Alexis Jacobi]

So where does the "not good" stuff come from?

Again, I know the answer and I am prepared to talk through it in such a manner that the intelligent and sensitive will understand. It is really not that difficult to understand.

[Immanuel Can]

So where does the "not good" stuff come from?

Again, I know the answer and I am prepared to talk through it in such a manner that the intelligent and sensitive will understand. It is really not that difficult to understand.

Then talk. Nobody's stopping you.

[Immanuel Can]

"Basically good" doesn't mean 'purely good' or 'only good' or 'unable to be bad'.

It just means that there is much more good than bad.

Where does the "bad" stuff come from?

[phyllo]

Ignorance, indifference, self-centeredness.

[Immanuel Can]

Ignorance, indifference, self-centeredness.

Okay, so you're saying that human beings come ignorant, indifferent and self-centered, not just good.

Would you trust somebody ignorant, indifferent and self-centered to run your Socialist state?