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I see....so you can speak for others subjective states, without evidence for such states outside of your own subjective state, and yet you claim such truths knowing you do not know their subjective states?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:33 amThat is true of all organisms, including you.
Ok, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:36 amI see....so you can speak for others subjective states, without evidence for such states outside of your own subjective state, and yet you claim such truths knowing you do not know their subjective states?
No friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:40 amOk, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
Ok, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:59 amNo friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:40 amOk, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
You choice. Where do you want me to start?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:13 amOk, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:59 amNo friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:40 am
Ok, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
By changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:14 amYou choice. Where do you want me to start?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:13 amOk, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:59 am
No friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.
Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
Are we aware through distinctions with these distinctions being synonymous to forms or limits?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:18 amBy changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:14 amYou choice. Where do you want me to start?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:13 am
Ok, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.
We are getting nowhere. Good luck to you!Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:21 amAre we aware through distinctions with these distinctions being synonymous to forms or limits?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:18 amBy changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?
Best of luck.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:30 amWe are getting nowhere. Good luck to you!Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:21 amAre we aware through distinctions with these distinctions being synonymous to forms or limits?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:18 am
By changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?