Challenging the Objectivity of Science

[popeye1945]

That is your subjective opinion.

DUH!

So your observation of everything is merely a projection of your own patterns. What you speak of is not a truth beyond you, by the degree of your claims.

The energies that surround you, whether of the earth or the cosmos, alters/changes your biology, giving you an experience that, when understood, is then subjective meaning, the sole property of a conscious subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, the only source of meaning in the world. Meanings formed in this manner are then projected onto a meaningless world as if meaning belonged to the world. You do not experience a world; you experience your changed/altered biology. You're correct, this experience we call reality is subjective and personal to the given individual organism. The conscious organism is at the centre of its personal universe, and when it dies, a personal world dies.

[Eodnhoj7]

DUH!

So your observation of everything is merely a projection of your own patterns. What you speak of is not a truth beyond you, by the degree of your claims.

The energies that surround you, whether of the earth or the cosmos, alters/changes your biology, giving you an experience that, when understood, is then subjective meaning, the sole property of a conscious subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, the only source of meaning in the world. Meanings formed in this manner are then projected onto a meaningless world as if meaning belonged to the world. You do not experience a world; you experience your changed/altered biology. You're correct, this experience we call reality is subjective and personal to the given individual organism. The conscious organism is at the centre of its personal universe, and when it dies, a personal world dies.

If everything is subjective, according to you, than by degree what you just claimed is not objective truth but your own viewpoint.

[popeye1945]

So your observation of everything is merely a projection of your own patterns. What you speak of is not a truth beyond you, by the degree of your claims.

The energies that surround you, whether of the earth or the cosmos, alters/changes your biology, giving you an experience that, when understood, is then subjective meaning, the sole property of a conscious subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, the only source of meaning in the world. Meanings formed in this manner are then projected onto a meaningless world as if meaning belonged to the world. You do not experience a world; you experience your changed/altered biology. You're correct, this experience we call reality is subjective and personal to the given individual organism. The conscious organism is at the centre of its personal universe, and when it dies, a personal world dies.

If everything is subjective, according to you, than by degree what you just claimed is not objective truth but your own viewpoint.

For you and me, there is no objective reality, unless you consider energy, frequency, and vibrations in and of themselves to be your objective reality. Is this what you are experiencing? No, you are experiencing your body.

[Eodnhoj7]

The energies that surround you, whether of the earth or the cosmos, alters/changes your biology, giving you an experience that, when understood, is then subjective meaning, the sole property of a conscious subject. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, the only source of meaning in the world. Meanings formed in this manner are then projected onto a meaningless world as if meaning belonged to the world. You do not experience a world; you experience your changed/altered biology. You're correct, this experience we call reality is subjective and personal to the given individual organism. The conscious organism is at the centre of its personal universe, and when it dies, a personal world dies.

If everything is subjective, according to you, than by degree what you just claimed is not objective truth but your own viewpoint.

For you and me, there is no objective reality, unless you consider energy, frequency, and vibrations in and of themselves to be your objective reality. Is this what you are experiencing? No, you are experiencing your body.

Then there is no objective truth to what you claim....you keep failing to see the self-contradiction of what you claim.

[popeye1945]

If everything is subjective, according to you, than by degree what you just claimed is not objective truth but your own viewpoint.

For you and me, there is no objective reality, unless you consider energy, frequency, and vibrations in and of themselves to be your objective reality. Is this what you are experiencing? No, you are experiencing your body.

Then there is no objective truth to what you claim....you keep failing to see the self-contradiction of what you claim.

Show me my faulty logic. It is not enough to be negative without proof.

[Eodnhoj7]

For you and me, there is no objective reality, unless you consider energy, frequency, and vibrations in and of themselves to be your objective reality. Is this what you are experiencing? No, you are experiencing your body.

Then there is no objective truth to what you claim....you keep failing to see the self-contradiction of what you claim.

Show me my faulty logic. It is not enough to be negative without proof.

It is too simple.

1. You claim everything is purely subjective.

2. This everything contains you and your statement by default.

3. Your assertion is purely subjective as it is part of everything.

4. Your assertion being purely subjective means it is not universally true...and yet you claim it is universally true, but your foundations do not permit this.

[popeye1945]

Then there is no objective truth to what you claim....you keep failing to see the self-contradiction of what you claim.

Show me my faulty logic. It is not enough to be negative without proof.

It is too simple.

1. You claim everything is purely subjective.
2. This everything contains you and your statement by default.
3. Your assertion is purely subjective as it is part of everything.
4. Your assertion being purely subjective means it is not universally true...and yet you claim it is universally true, but your foundations do not permit this.

1. Your entire apparent reality is subjective.
2.Yes
3. Yes, everything is subjective.
4. Nothing is universally true; truth is subjective experience. I never claimed anything to be universally true. How could this be? Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and the source of all meaning in this world. The only way for something to be universally true is if all biological creatures had the same experience and agreed on its meaning. As no one has precisely the same biology even within the same species, this cannot be.

[Eodnhoj7]

Show me my faulty logic. It is not enough to be negative without proof.

It is too simple.

1. You claim everything is purely subjective.
2. This everything contains you and your statement by default.
3. Your assertion is purely subjective as it is part of everything.
4. Your assertion being purely subjective means it is not universally true...and yet you claim it is universally true, but your foundations do not permit this.

1. Your entire apparent reality is subjective.
2.Yes
3. Yes, everything is subjective.
4. Nothing is universally true; truth is subjective experience. I never claimed anything to be universally true. How could this be? Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and the source of all meaning in this world. The only way for something to be universally true is if all biological creatures had the same experience and agreed on its meaning. As no one has precisely the same biology even within the same species, this cannot be.

You claim nothing is universally true and then claim truth is universally subjective.

If subjectivity of truth is universal you can only rationally speak for yourself, your own subjective experience and not for subjective experiences outside your own.

Some subjective experiences claim objective truth.

[popeye1945]

It is too simple.

1. You claim everything is purely subjective.
2. This everything contains you and your statement by default.
3. Your assertion is purely subjective as it is part of everything.
4. Your assertion being purely subjective means it is not universally true...and yet you claim it is universally true, but your foundations do not permit this.

1. Your entire apparent reality is subjective.
2.Yes
3. Yes, everything is subjective.
4. Nothing is universally true; truth is subjective experience. I never claimed anything to be universally true. How could this be? Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and the source of all meaning in this world. The only way for something to be universally true is if all biological creatures had the same experience and agreed on its meaning. As no one has precisely the same biology even within the same species, this cannot be.

You claim nothing is universally true and then claim truth is universally subjective.
If subjectivity of truth is universal you can only rationally speak for yourself, your own subjective experience and not for subjective experiences outside your own. Some subjective experiences claim objective truth.

Each organism is the centre of its subjective universe, and where there are differences between the biology of organisms, so too are there differences in the universes that they experience, no universality. If the biological equipment is different, the truth experience will be different. Truth is a meaning, and only life forms create meaning. If they experience and objective truth, they are simply ignorant of how meaning comes about. One cannot escape one's subjectivity; it is the only way of knowing.

[Eodnhoj7]

1. Your entire apparent reality is subjective.
2.Yes
3. Yes, everything is subjective.
4. Nothing is universally true; truth is subjective experience. I never claimed anything to be universally true. How could this be? Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and the source of all meaning in this world. The only way for something to be universally true is if all biological creatures had the same experience and agreed on its meaning. As no one has precisely the same biology even within the same species, this cannot be.

You claim nothing is universally true and then claim truth is universally subjective.
If subjectivity of truth is universal you can only rationally speak for yourself, your own subjective experience and not for subjective experiences outside your own. Some subjective experiences claim objective truth.

Each organism is the centre of its subjective universe, and where there are differences between the biology of organisms, so too are there differences in the universes that they experience, no universality. If the biological equipment is different, the truth experience will be different. Truth is a meaning, and only life forms create meaning. If they experience and objective truth, they are simply ignorant of how meaning comes about. One cannot escape one's subjectivity; it is the only way of knowing.

Again that is your subjective opinion, by your own standards you cannot speak on behalf of others by degree of said standards.

[popeye1945]

You claim nothing is universally true and then claim truth is universally subjective.
If subjectivity of truth is universal you can only rationally speak for yourself, your own subjective experience and not for subjective experiences outside your own. Some subjective experiences claim objective truth.

Each organism is the centre of its subjective universe, and where there are differences between the biology of organisms, so too are there differences in the universes that they experience, no universality. If the biological equipment is different, the truth experience will be different. Truth is a meaning, and only life forms create meaning. If they experience and objective truth, they are simply ignorant of how meaning comes about. One cannot escape one's subjectivity; it is the only way of knowing.

Again that is your subjective opinion, by your own standards you cannot speak on behalf of others by degree of said standards.

Truth is subjective experience, and again, subjective experience is the only way one can know a world. To a group, truth is the agreement of subjective experiences across their collective subjective judgment. Do you understand that all meaning is the product of biological life forms, as the only source of meaning in the world?

[Eodnhoj7]

Each organism is the centre of its subjective universe, and where there are differences between the biology of organisms, so too are there differences in the universes that they experience, no universality. If the biological equipment is different, the truth experience will be different. Truth is a meaning, and only life forms create meaning. If they experience and objective truth, they are simply ignorant of how meaning comes about. One cannot escape one's subjectivity; it is the only way of knowing.

Again that is your subjective opinion, by your own standards you cannot speak on behalf of others by degree of said standards.

Truth is subjective experience, and again, subjective experience is the only way one can know a world. To a group, truth is the agreement of subjective experiences across their collective subjective judgment. Do you understand that all meaning is the product of biological life forms, as the only source of meaning in the world?

If aligned subjective states occurs than this intersubjectivity corresponds to objectivity and one cannot state a purely subjective truth without degree of contradiction in the matter for the acceptance of other subjective states, by degree of similar foundations in perception, necessitates a variation between subjective states that amount to objectivity as these differences between perspectives are integrated within the individual without a full experience of another's subjective truth.

For example one integrates x+y=z as an experience because of another's experience and yet this integration does not take into account the full subjective nature of the other's experience.

[popeye1945]

Again that is your subjective opinion, by your own standards you cannot speak on behalf of others by degree of said standards.

Truth is subjective experience, and again, subjective experience is the only way one can know a world. To a group, truth is the agreement of subjective experiences across their collective subjective judgment. Do you understand that all meaning is the product of biological life forms, as the only source of meaning in the world?

If aligned subjective states occurs than this intersubjectivity corresponds to objectivity and one cannot state a purely subjective truth without degree of contradiction in the matter for the acceptance of other subjective states, by degree of similar foundations in perception, necessitates a variation between subjective states that amount to objectivity as these differences between perspectives are integrated within the individual without a full experience of another's subjective truth.

For example one integrates x+y=z as an experience because of another's experience and yet this integration does not take into account the full subjective nature of the other's experience.

So, NO.

[Eodnhoj7]

Truth is subjective experience, and again, subjective experience is the only way one can know a world. To a group, truth is the agreement of subjective experiences across their collective subjective judgment. Do you understand that all meaning is the product of biological life forms, as the only source of meaning in the world?

If aligned subjective states occurs than this intersubjectivity corresponds to objectivity and one cannot state a purely subjective truth without degree of contradiction in the matter for the acceptance of other subjective states, by degree of similar foundations in perception, necessitates a variation between subjective states that amount to objectivity as these differences between perspectives are integrated within the individual without a full experience of another's subjective truth.

For example one integrates x+y=z as an experience because of another's experience and yet this integration does not take into account the full subjective nature of the other's experience.

So, NO.

According to your subjective opinion. But there are other subjective states you cannot speak for.

[popeye1945]

If aligned subjective states occurs than this intersubjectivity corresponds to objectivity and one cannot state a purely subjective truth without degree of contradiction in the matter for the acceptance of other subjective states, by degree of similar foundations in perception, necessitates a variation between subjective states that amount to objectivity as these differences between perspectives are integrated within the individual without a full experience of another's subjective truth.

For example one integrates x+y=z as an experience because of another's experience and yet this integration does not take into account the full subjective nature of the other's experience.

So, NO.

According to your subjective opinion. But there are other subjective states you cannot speak for.

That is true of all organisms, including you.