Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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Eodnhoj7
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:33 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:47 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:22 am


So, NO.
According to your subjective opinion. But there are other subjective states you cannot speak for.
That is true of all organisms, including you.
I see....so you can speak for others subjective states, without evidence for such states outside of your own subjective state, and yet you claim such truths knowing you do not know their subjective states?
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:36 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:33 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:47 am

According to your subjective opinion. But there are other subjective states you cannot speak for.
That is true of all organisms, including you.
I see....so you can speak for others subjective states, without evidence for such states outside of your own subjective state, and yet you claim such truths knowing you do not know their subjective states?
Ok, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:40 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:36 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:33 am

That is true of all organisms, including you.
I see....so you can speak for others subjective states, without evidence for such states outside of your own subjective state, and yet you claim such truths knowing you do not know their subjective states?
Ok, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
No friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.

Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:59 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:40 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:36 am

I see....so you can speak for others subjective states, without evidence for such states outside of your own subjective state, and yet you claim such truths knowing you do not know their subjective states?
Ok, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
No friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.

Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
Ok, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:59 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:40 am

Ok, now you're getting silly on me. Do you wish to continue in a serious dialogue?
No friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.

Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
Ok, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.
You choice. Where do you want me to start?
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:14 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:59 am

No friend...far from it...I am following your logic and it contains internal inconsistencies within it.

Reverting to "biology=meaning" every time I point out that what you are stating is purely subjective opinion, by degree of your logic that all experience is purely subjective (thus yourself as part of the set "all experience") is merely a repetition of basic distinctions that are inherently void internally by nature of the conditions they require.
Ok, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.
You choice. Where do you want me to start?
By changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:18 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:14 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:13 am

Ok, you may have something here, but you need to make it more accessible to the understanding, if it is indeed understandable. Try making your granny understand it and get back to us.
You choice. Where do you want me to start?
By changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?
Are we aware through distinctions with these distinctions being synonymous to forms or limits?
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:21 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:18 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:14 am

You choice. Where do you want me to start?
By changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?
Are we aware through distinctions with these distinctions being synonymous to forms or limits?
We are getting nowhere. Good luck to you!
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Re: Challenging the Objectivity of Science

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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:30 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:21 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:18 am

By changing your terminology and approach to the subject, can you make the conscious subject the centre of the reality around us?
Are we aware through distinctions with these distinctions being synonymous to forms or limits?
We are getting nowhere. Good luck to you!
Best of luck.
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