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Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:30 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:25 pm
Your word about me required evidence.

Just how long do you intend to keep up this absurd pretence?

I don' t even intend to start keeping up a pretence.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:25 pm Seems to me you don't even know who I am. Very strange that you'd even know what I am not.

He could never know who you are not if doesn't even know who you are. Who you are can never be who you are not, or that would make you a liar not him.

Nice deflection though. NOT!

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:37 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:25 pm Seems to me you don't even know who I am. Very strange that you'd even know what I am not.

He could never know who you are not if doesn't even know who you are.

Great! So you agree that he's lying about doing a background check on me.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:37 pm Who you are can never be who you are not, or that would make you a liar not him.

I am what I am. I am not what I am not.

Saying I am what I am not is lying.
Saying I am not what I am is also lying.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:40 pm
Great! So you agree that he's lying.

I do not personally know you are telling the truth to vouch for him that he is lying.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:40 pmI am what I am.

Saying I am what I am not is lying.
Saying I am not what I am is also lying.

I am what I am is closer to the truth than saying I am a policeman.

Everyone is an I and can say I am what I am, and that I am what I am ...which is, I am I ..that's obviously self-referentially verifable and self-evident to everyone.

Nice deflection though. NOT!

You don't like philosophy do you?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:49 pm I do not personally know you are telling the truth to vouch for him that he is lying.

Do you personally know that I am lying?

Because if you don't then why won't you take me on my word?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:49 pm I am what I am is closer to the truth than saying I am a policeman.

They are both equally true.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:49 pm You don't like philosophy do you?

If your philosophy causes you to think I am lying when I am infact telling the truth, then your philosophy is just as garbage as a philosophy which causes you to think I am telling the truth when I am in fact lying.

In both cases you are wrong - fix yor philosophy.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:52 pm
Do you personally know that I am lying?

Because if you don't then why won't you take me on my word?

The word of a liar is worthless.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:00 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:52 pm
Do you personally know that I am lying?

Because if you don't then why won't you take me on my word?

The word of a liar is worthless.

So you claim to know that I am lying, but you won't produce any evidence of my crime.

Is it because you are lying?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:52 pm
Do you personally know that I am lying?

Because if you don't then why won't you take me on my word?

I can believe or disbelieve you. But my beliefs would only be a representation of a truth, not an actual fact. Facts are presentations as they are being witnessed in realtime as actual and real.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:52 pmIf your philosophy causes you to think I am lying when I am infact telling the truth, then your philosophy is just as garbage as a philosophy which causes you to think I am telling the truth when I am in fact lying.

In both cases you are wrong - fix yor philosophy.

There is only YOUR philosophy.

We've already been over the (truth or lie) philosophy umpteen times already, and it seems you are still on that mental treadmill going nowhere.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:06 pm I can believe or disbelieve you. But my beliefs would only be a representation of a truth, not an actual fact. Facts are presentations as they are being witnessed in realtime as actual and real.

Me being a policeman is a fact. Whether you believe it or not.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:06 pm There is only YOUR philosophy.

I don't have one. Philosophy is bullshit.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:06 pm We've already been over the (truth or lie) philosophy umpteen times already, and it seems you are still on that mental treadmill going nowhere.

I am not the one going in circles - I know that I am a policeman. You are the one who can't decide (despite me having told you) what's true.

Because philosophy is bullshit.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:01 pm
So you claim to know that I am lying, but you won't produce any evidence of my crime.

Is it because you are lying?

I kind of just know you are, and yes, that's all I've got.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:15 pm I kind of just know you are, and yes, that's all I've got.

And that's why you are a dumb philosopher and not a scientist.

You aren't even entertaining the hypothesis that you are wrong, let alone favouring it given the evidence.

So strange that your secret source didn't tell you the truth.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:10 pm
Me being a policeman is a fact. Whether you believe it or not.

It may well be a fact to you, but not to me, because I do not know you from Adam.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:10 pmI don't have one. Philosophy is bullshit.

I don't have one either. And you are more than welcome to beleive me or disbelieve me.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:10 pmI am not the one going in circles - I know that I am a policeman. You are the one who can't decide (despite me having told you) what's true.

Because philosophy is bullshit.

I don't have a philosophy, and you are more than welcome to believe or disbelieve me.

If there is such a thing as an ''owned'' philosophy then it will be a 'Your' philosophy ..whether it's owned by you or me still translates as a 'Your' philosophy.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:17 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:15 pm I kind of just know you are, and yes, that's all I've got.

And that's why you are a dumb philosopher and not a scientist.

The main reason I'm not a scientist is that I've never had a wish to become one. I'm not saying that I'm not too dumb to be one, I could well be, but I never tried to be one.

I'm not a philosopher, either; I'm just an ordinary bloke who posts on a philosophy forum.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:22 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:10 pm
Me being a policeman is a fact. Whether you believe it or not.

It may well be a fact to you, but not to me, because I do not know you from Adam.

That's an argument from ignorance.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:22 pm I don't have one either. And you are more than welcome to beleive me or disbelieve me.

Yeah, you have one. And I know - because your dogmatic philosophical principle is to disbelieve people whom you don't know.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:22 pm I don't have a philosophy, and you are more than welcome to believe or disbelieve me.

Then what is it that makes you disbelieve me. Is it not your dogmatic philosophical principles?

e.g cognitive biases

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:25 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:17 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:15 pm I kind of just know you are, and yes, that's all I've got.

And that's why you are a dumb philosopher and not a scientist.

The main reason I'm not a scientist is that I've never had a wish to become one. I'm not saying that I'm not too dumb to be one, I could well be, but I never tried to be one.

I'm not a philosopher, either; I'm just an ordinary bloke who posts on a philosophy forum.

And like ordinary blokes you default to philosophical principles (a.k.a cognitive biases) to resolve uncertainty for you.

Instead of simply saying "Actually, I don't know".

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