Understanding the religious mindset

[Age]

I mean, some here think that God is a really nasty 3rd party intelligence, some think that we are nested in some kind of Berkeleyen type God and holograms and all, some here are desperately trying (and failing) to teach humans how to collectively channel the awakening universe-God, some here are tryin to prove some kind of geometrical-observational-thing-nothing God or whatever the fuck, some here are textbook Christians, some here are light workers sent by God. Oh yeah and there's that painfully dry sociopath-"Christian" who is betting on the existence of heaven, and is trying to manipulate God (heh-heh) into putting him into heaven after he dies. etc. etc. there's also that guy who talks to angels and demons, and experiences God too etc.

Or something like that. I mean, how on Earth are these theists going to work out, which one of them has it right?

AND, there are 'those' who just BELIEVE OUTRIGHT that God does NOT exist. The DISBELIEVERS as they can also be LABELED and KNOWN BY. YET these ones can NOT and will NOT say what the word 'God' means or even refers to, so as to then EXPLAIN HOW and WHY that 'Thing' could NOT and does NOT POSSIBLY exist.

AND, then there are 'those' who SEE and BELIEVE OTHER 'things', and then there are 'those' who SEE and BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE other things, and then there are MORE of 'those' who SEE and BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE even MORE OTHER things.

Yet what can be CLEARLY SEEN, EVIDENCED, and ACTUALLY PROVEN True here is that ALL of 'these', human beings, are BELIEVING and/or DISBELIEVING in some thing or other. Which is what human beings have done hitherto, to the days when this was written, which is the VERY REASON WHY, human beings, took SO LONG to be ABLE to UNCOVER, RECOGNIZE, and SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth of things ACTUALLY IS.

Yeah after I posted this, I realized that Age will answer my rhetorical question with a direct answer,

So, WHY did you NOT say ANY thing until AFTER I posted here?

telling us how theists can work out THEE ACTUAL TRUTH.

What is with 'you', people, and your IMAGININGS and/or BELIEVINGS that 'i' am a "theist". This could NOT be ANY FURTHER from thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

The PROOF that what I have ACTUALLY BEEN SAYING, and MEANING, has NOT BEEN READ, and is NOT YET FULLY UNDERSTOOD, is BECOMING MORE AND MORE STRONGER.

By the way, NEITHER ANY of 'you', "theists", "atheists" or ANY one else that puts "them self" into the "ist" basket is EVER going to KNOW "which one is right", while 'you' each continue to HOLD onto that BELIEF, which is what is making 'you' an "ist".

[Age]

So Y don't you fuck off, since you clearly are not very intelligent - though I suppose that is where people do resort to just being "trolls".

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums, your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

The fact that you think I have a "primitive" theory - re this God\'God' entity - this 3rd party intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive of reality PROVES, you have not been paying attention - at least to my analysis as to how this entity could plausibly cause what I have experienced - and indeed, provided evidence of - ALL you have been doing is reading my experiences - and ya TAKING THE PISS - easy target practice for doosh troll.

What is YOUR "theory" "attofishpi" regarding God and this, so called, "3rd party intelligence", and, HOW, EXACTLY, could this entity plausibly cause what you have experienced?

And, is that the EXACT SAME plausible cause for what EVERY one has, and will, experience?

[Age]

You seem pretty butthurt, but I also got the other parts right. It's just fact not ego, that sub-genius level people can't add anything new to philosophy, and they don't realize it. Besides I'm no longer making fool of myself as I gave up any chance for learning anything new, just trolling for fun here.

So Y don't you fuck off, since you clearly are not very intelligent - though I suppose that is where people do resort to just being "trolls".

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums,

'you' are CONTRADICTING 'your OWN self" here, ONCE AGAIN, "atla".

Now, you CLAIM that you GAVE UP ANY CHANCE for learning ANY thing new, here in this forum, but are now saying that you would ACTUALLY like to learn new things on philosophy forums.

If, to you, there is NO CHANCE for learning ANY thing new, here in a philosophy forum, then HANGING AROUND, just because you WANT to learn new things on 'philosophy forums' is PROVIDING just how much of a FOOL, (your words), 'you' REALLY ARE.

your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

And what EXACTLY are YOUR, so called, "worldviews"? To HANG AROUND this philosophy forum, till the day that body stops pumping blood and breathing, just because you, allegedly, WANT to learn NEW things? But, which you, supposedly, have GIVEN UP ANY CHANCE of obtaining?

Oh, and by the way, what are the NEW things that you WANT to learn? Are they STILL the SAME THINGS that you were LOOKING FOR BEFORE, but could NEVER FIND? Or, something else?

INFORM us of something NEW, INSTEAD of just TELLING us that you are MORE GENIUS than US, and that we are just INSANE IDIOTS and MORONS.

You have REPEATED the SAME OLD things ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY that we ALREADY KNOW that is what you UNDOUBTEDLY BELIEVE is TRUE.

By the way, WHY do you WANT to learn NEW things from a 'philosophy forum'?

Are 'you' NOT ABLE TO learn NEW things ALL by "yourself"?

[Lacewing]

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You appear to currently be obsessing over all of my posts... like a manic person with mental issues. I'm not interested in reading what you think. You're a very noisy person. Good luck to you.

[Age]

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums, your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

The fact that you think I have a "primitive" theory - re this God\'God' entity - this 3rd party intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive of reality PROVES, you have not been paying attention - at least to my analysis as to how this entity could plausibly cause what I have experienced - and indeed, provided evidence of - ALL you have been doing is reading my experiences - and ya TAKING THE PISS - easy target practice for doosh troll.

No, what you have described was just a psychotic break, I happen to know a lot about that topic.

HOW do you "happen to know a LOT about that topic" of 'a psychotic break'? Through experience or through the words of "others"

Your experience is pretty common actually, but YOU haven't been paying attention to this world. It's well-established, explained in clinical psychology.

Sounds like 'you' are talking from experience.

Did 'you' have some sort of 'breakdown' when you could NOT find 'that' what you were LOOKING FOR, and so just "realized" it is BETTER to just LISTEN TO and FOLLOW the CROWD, instead?

That way you would NOT be called the "crazy one", and instead you could just do what the "others" do, and call ANY one of "those" who think DIFFERENTLY, "the crazy ones", which, in turn, makes 'you' FEEL MUCH BETTER, literally, about that INSIGNIFICANT little 'self'.

Guy who doesn't understand that we don't experience the world as it is, but we experience a model of the world in our heads, immediately thinks that God is controlling him when this model in his head has major malfunctions. How tedious.

OBVIOUSLY 'you', adult human beings, did NOT experience the Universe/the "world", 'as it is', just like 'you' ALL did when you were VERY YOUNG CHILDREN, and INSTEAD do ACTUALLY create your OWN little "models" and start BELIEVING ALL of those "models" are TRUE.

Also, what is VERY OBVIOUS is ALL of the FAULTS and FLAWS in your OWN little "model", "atla".

The Universe, by the way, is ACTUALLY BEING EXPERIENCED EXACTLY 'as It is'. Ones like 'you', "atla", however, DISTORT this experience with your OWN TINY little MADE UP "models" and "worlds", which 'you' think or BELIEVE are FAR MORE ACCURATE, TRUE, and REAL.

[Age]

No, what you have described was just a psychotic break, I happen to know a lot about that topic. Your experience is pretty common actually, but YOU haven't been paying attention to this world. It's well-established, explained in clinical psychology.

Guy who doesn't understand that we don't experience the world as it is, but we experience a model of the world in our heads, immediately thinks that God is controlling him when this model in his head has major malfunctions. How tedious.

Duh...that's a copout. Remember you can only be agnostic about your atheism. One can know that God exists through empirical evidence provided to that individual, such that that individual gains gnosis. One cannot know that God does NOT exist, since that would require knowing EVERYTHING about the universe and perhaps multiverse.

But you can't quote me claiming that God definitely doesnt exist, right? (I prefer Goddess btw)

Would you claim that Goddess does NOT exist?

[Age]

Duh...that's a copout. Remember you can only be agnostic about your atheism. One can know that God exists through empirical evidence provided to that individual, such that that individual gains gnosis. One cannot know that God does NOT exist, since that would require knowing EVERYTHING about the universe and perhaps multiverse.

But you can't quote me claiming that God definitely doesnt exist, right? (I prefer Goddess btw)

Sure I can, I just know you could never prove it. As we are having this little chat, I am working on the opposite to that equation. Yes, it would be nice to think of God as a Goddess - when it has me in heaven at times and makes love to my entire being - indeed sexual ecstasy that it can 'inflict' is ...mmm... - but it appears the dude is Gay or at least bi after all -

Do 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, have ANY CLUE AT ALL as to WHY 'you' still persist with LOOKING AT God, as a "gender"?

Just the thought of this is ABSURD, let alone TALKING ABOUT it OUT LOUD, for "others" to SEE and HEAR.

And, ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE of a human being putting their OWN WISHES and DESIRES into the equation in relation to God, and what they WANT God to do for and to "them" alone.

Once the body STOPS breathing and pumping blood, the 'you', in adulthood, is NEVER going to get what it WISHED and DESIRED for, anyway.

[Age]

Sure I can, I just know you could never prove it. As we are having this little chat, I am working on the opposite to that equation. Yes, it would be nice to think of God as a Goddess - when it has me in heaven at times and makes love to my entire being - indeed sexual ecstasy that it can 'inflict' is ...mmm... - but it appears the dude is Gay or at least bi after all -

Okay, then quote me claiming that God definitely, certainly doesn't exist.

I can quote your claim here you go:- quote me claiming that God definitely, certainly doesn't exist.

Once you have gnosis, there is no avenue to being an atheist.

I guess, since my argument goes along these two options, on the point 2. I could claim to be an atheist, that there is plausible, but from what has been garnered since the sage introduced himself to me - er - point 1. is my comprehension.

Either:-
1. God is divine and constructs our reality in real-time.
2. 'God' is A.I. - artificial intelligence - that we have evolved into a simulation (see simulation hypothesis) ..again, our reality is constructed in real-time.
NB. The reason we would evolve into a simulation is to conserve resources as entropy increases.

1. 'you' construct your OWN, so called, "reality". Or, human beings construct their OWN, so called, "reality", which is sometimes referred to as "our reality.

God constructs Reality, Itself. But what 'you' make of that Reality, and do with that Reality, is of your OWN FREE CHOOSING.

[Age]

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You appear to currently be obsessing over all of my posts... like a manic person with mental issues. I'm not interested in reading what you think.

The CONTRADICTION here is for ALL TO SEE.

And, WHENEVER these people, in those days, where CHALLENGED to a POINT of NOT BEING ABLE TO RESPOND Honestly, without COUNTER their OWN previous CLAIMS, they resorted to things like: "I am NOT interested in reading what you wrote". BUT, then CONTRADICTS by CLAIMING things like: you appear to currently be obsessing over ALL of my posts. Which could ONLY be Truly ASCERTAINED by READING all of my posts.

Unless OF COURSE, these people ACTUALLY BELIEVE that they can ASCERTAIN what is IN "another's" writings by REALLY NOT being INTERESTED in reading AT ALL.

ALSO, I RESPOND to NOT just what 'you', "lacewing" write but to "others" as well. Does that MEAN to 'you' that I am "obsessing" over ALL of their posts AS WELL?

You're a very noisy person. Good luck to you.

And, 'you' have PROVEN that 'you' can NOT back up and support your OWN CLAIMS, and that you do NOT like being CHALLENGED, in regards to YOUR CLAIMS, and that you will NOT PROVIDE ANSWERS to CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, posed to 'you', by 'me'.

[Age]

By the way "lacewing", you start a thread with the CLAIM, "Understanding the religious mindset", as though 'you' have MORE knowledge than "others" do, but without even KNOWING what thee Mind ACTUALLY IS, nor without even FULLY KNOWING your OWN set of thinking and thoughts, in regards to HOW they were OBTAINED nor WHY some of them are just PLAIN Wrong and Inaccurate, themselves.

You are ALSO NOT YET FULLY AWARE that 'you' are, sometimes, behaving MORE RELIGIOUSLY, than the, so called, "religious" do.

Now, I suggest that if you WANT to START a thread CLAIMING THINGS, but TRY TO hide them in QUESTIONS, then be EXPECTED to BE CHALLENGED and QUESTIONED on and over those CLAIMS of YOURS.

[Belinda]

Age, you can no more know Lacewing's psyche than I can know yours!

[Age]

Age, you can no more know Lacewing's psyche than I can know yours!

That ALL depends on how 'you' are defining the word 'psyche' here, and how 'you' EXPLAIN what "lacewing's" 'psyche' IS, EXACTLY, and if 'that' 'psyche' is DIFFERENT than "yours", then HOW are "they" DIFFERENT?

Otherwise, I may ACTUALLY KNOW the 'psyche' of 'you', human beings, BETTER than 'you' do, in the days when this was written.

We will just have to wait, and see, correct?

Or, do 'you' BELIEVE 'you' KNOW 100% without ANY doubt AT ALL what you said and CLAIMED above here?

Oh, and by the way, 'you' can KNOW the 'psyche' of 'me'. That is; if 'you' were Truly INTERESTED to KNOW. Just like one can discover, learn, and KNOW Thy Self, and 'Who 'I' am', again if and when one is Truly INTERESTED, Truly CURIOS, and Truly OPEN.

[Dontaskme]

Dontaskme wrote:
What conceived the very first woman who was then able to conceive or replicate herself?



Age replied—
What conceived the very first woman were the two things that CAME TOGETHER.


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Wow, thanks Age, you are really showing me something here

The two things that came together made the first sentient replicating organism. And hey presto, a replicating self machine was born, according to you….all because two things came together….who’d have thought it

That really does explain it, how the first woman came to be conceived.

[Belinda]

Age, you say you don't know what 'psyche' means. Look it up in a good dictionary!

[Walker]

Age, you say you don't know what 'psyche' means. Look it up in a good dictionary!

Interesting. If good be defined as accurate, is this good?

Urban dictionary:
“Psyche: To fake someone out. To lead someone on and then to immediately decline an ending.”