Understanding the religious mindset

[Atla]

I mean, some here think that God is a really nasty 3rd party intelligence, some think that we are nested in some kind of Berkeleyen type God and holograms and all, some here are desperately trying (and failing) to teach humans how to collectively channel the awakening universe-God, some here are tryin to prove some kind of geometrical-observational-thing-nothing God or whatever the fuck, some here are textbook Christians, some here are light workers sent by God. Oh yeah and there's that painfully dry sociopath-"Christian" who is betting on the existence of heaven, and is trying to manipulate God (heh-heh) into putting him into heaven after he dies. etc. etc. there's also that guy who talks to angels and demons, and experiences God too etc.

Or something like that. I mean, how on Earth are these theists going to work out, which one of them has it right?

damn, I left out the guy who achieved gnosis via the third, vertical dimension of being..

Hey, and don't forget the guy whose ego is so huge that he needs a wheelbarrow to help carry around the overflow.

I'm talking about the person who wrote this:

I have long suspected that I'm the only person left on this forum who is both intelligent and has a clue, but now I'm finally completely certain of it. This isn't even funny anymore so I'm off, I'm just making a fool of myself by being here.

Like I said the last time I pointed this out to you, you definitely got the bolded part right.
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You seem pretty butthurt, but I also got the other parts right. It's just fact not ego, that sub-genius level people can't add anything new to philosophy, and they don't realize it. Besides I'm no longer making fool of myself as I gave up any chance for learning anything new, just trolling for fun here.

[attofishpi]

damn, I left out the guy who achieved gnosis via the third, vertical dimension of being..

Hey, and don't forget the guy whose ego is so huge that he needs a wheelbarrow to help carry around the overflow.

I'm talking about the person who wrote this:

I have long suspected that I'm the only person left on this forum who is both intelligent and has a clue, but now I'm finally completely certain of it. This isn't even funny anymore so I'm off, I'm just making a fool of myself by being here.

Like I said the last time I pointed this out to you, you definitely got the bolded part right.
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You seem pretty butthurt, but I also got the other parts right. It's just fact not ego, that sub-genius level people can't add anything new to philosophy, and they don't realize it. Besides I'm no longer making fool of myself as I gave up any chance for learning anything new, just trolling for fun here.

So Y don't you fuck off, since you clearly are not very intelligent - though I suppose that is where people do resort to just being "trolls".

[Atla]

Yes! They are unbothered by so many contradictions... and have no desire to explore truth of philosophy. Rather, philosophy (here on the forum) is often about making unprovable claims and insisting they're valid until anyone can disprove them.

I mean, some here think that God is a really nasty 3rd party intelligence, some think that we are nested in some kind of Berkeleyen type God and holograms and all, some here are desperately trying (and failing) to teach humans how to collectively channel the awakening universe-God, some here are tryin to prove some kind of geometrical-observational-thing-nothing God or whatever the fuck, some here are textbook Christians, some here are light workers sent by God. Oh yeah and there's that painfully dry sociopath-"Christian" who is betting on the existence of heaven, and is trying to manipulate God (heh-heh) into putting him into heaven after he dies. etc. etc. there's also that guy who talks to angels and demons, and experiences God too etc.

Or something like that. I mean, how on Earth are these theists going to work out, which one of them has it right?

AND, there are 'those' who just BELIEVE OUTRIGHT that God does NOT exist. The DISBELIEVERS as they can also be LABELED and KNOWN BY. YET these ones can NOT and will NOT say what the word 'God' means or even refers to, so as to then EXPLAIN HOW and WHY that 'Thing' could NOT and does NOT POSSIBLY exist.

AND, then there are 'those' who SEE and BELIEVE OTHER 'things', and then there are 'those' who SEE and BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE other things, and then there are MORE of 'those' who SEE and BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE even MORE OTHER things.

Yet what can be CLEARLY SEEN, EVIDENCED, and ACTUALLY PROVEN True here is that ALL of 'these', human beings, are BELIEVING and/or DISBELIEVING in some thing or other. Which is what human beings have done hitherto, to the days when this was written, which is the VERY REASON WHY, human beings, took SO LONG to be ABLE to UNCOVER, RECOGNIZE, and SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth of things ACTUALLY IS.

Yeah after I posted this, I realized that Age will answer my rhetorical question with a direct answer, telling us how theists can work out THEE ACTUAL TRUTH.

[Atla]

Hey, and don't forget the guy whose ego is so huge that he needs a wheelbarrow to help carry around the overflow.

I'm talking about the person who wrote this:



Like I said the last time I pointed this out to you, you definitely got the bolded part right.
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You seem pretty butthurt, but I also got the other parts right. It's just fact not ego, that sub-genius level people can't add anything new to philosophy, and they don't realize it. Besides I'm no longer making fool of myself as I gave up any chance for learning anything new, just trolling for fun here.

So Y don't you fuck off, since you clearly are not very intelligent - though I suppose that is where people do resort to just being "trolls".

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums, your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

[attofishpi]

You seem pretty butthurt, but I also got the other parts right. It's just fact not ego, that sub-genius level people can't add anything new to philosophy, and they don't realize it. Besides I'm no longer making fool of myself as I gave up any chance for learning anything new, just trolling for fun here.

So Y don't you fuck off, since you clearly are not very intelligent - though I suppose that is where people do resort to just being "trolls".

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums, your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

The fact that you think I have a "primitive" theory - re this God\'God' entity - this 3rd party intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive of reality PROVES, you have not been paying attention - at least to my analysis as to how this entity could plausibly cause what I have experienced - and indeed, provided evidence of - ALL you have been doing is reading my experiences - and ya TAKING THE PISS - easy target practice for doosh troll.

[Atla]

So Y don't you fuck off, since you clearly are not very intelligent - though I suppose that is where people do resort to just being "trolls".

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums, your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

The fact that you think I have a "primitive" theory - re this God\'God' entity - this 3rd party intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive of reality PROVES, you have not been paying attention - at least to my analysis as to how this entity could plausibly cause what I have experienced - and indeed, provided evidence of - ALL you have been doing is reading my experiences - and ya TAKING THE PISS - easy target practice for doosh troll.

No, what you have described was just a psychotic break, I happen to know a lot about that topic. Your experience is pretty common actually, but YOU haven't been paying attention to this world. It's well-established, explained in clinical psychology.

Guy who doesn't understand that we don't experience the world as it is, but we experience a model of the world in our heads, immediately thinks that God is controlling him when this model in his head has major malfunctions. How tedious.

[attofishpi]

Y don't you fuck off? I'd like to learn new things on philosophy forums, your primitive theories are just for laughs because I'm bored. I have NOT learned anything in 3-4 years on philosophy forums that would have forced me to rethink my worldviews.

The fact that you think I have a "primitive" theory - re this God\'God' entity - this 3rd party intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive of reality PROVES, you have not been paying attention - at least to my analysis as to how this entity could plausibly cause what I have experienced - and indeed, provided evidence of - ALL you have been doing is reading my experiences - and ya TAKING THE PISS - easy target practice for doosh troll.

No, what you have described was just a psychotic break, I happen to know a lot about that topic. Your experience is pretty common actually, but YOU haven't been paying attention to this world. It's well-established, explained in clinical psychology.

Guy who doesn't understand that we don't experience the world as it is, but we experience a model of the world in our heads, immediately thinks that God is controlling him when this model in his head has major malfunctions. How tedious.

Duh...that's a copout. Remember you can only be agnostic about your atheism. One can know that God exists through empirical evidence provided to that individual, such that that individual gains gnosis. One cannot know that God does NOT exist, since that would require knowing EVERYTHING about the universe and perhaps multiverse.

[Atla]

The fact that you think I have a "primitive" theory - re this God\'God' entity - this 3rd party intelligence behind the construct of what we perceive of reality PROVES, you have not been paying attention - at least to my analysis as to how this entity could plausibly cause what I have experienced - and indeed, provided evidence of - ALL you have been doing is reading my experiences - and ya TAKING THE PISS - easy target practice for doosh troll.

No, what you have described was just a psychotic break, I happen to know a lot about that topic. Your experience is pretty common actually, but YOU haven't been paying attention to this world. It's well-established, explained in clinical psychology.

Guy who doesn't understand that we don't experience the world as it is, but we experience a model of the world in our heads, immediately thinks that God is controlling him when this model in his head has major malfunctions. How tedious.

Duh...that's a copout. Remember you can only be agnostic about your atheism. One can know that God exists through empirical evidence provided to that individual, such that that individual gains gnosis. One cannot know that God does NOT exist, since that would require knowing EVERYTHING about the universe and perhaps multiverse.

But you can't quote me claiming that God definitely doesnt exist, right? (I prefer Goddess btw)

[attofishpi]

No, what you have described was just a psychotic break, I happen to know a lot about that topic. Your experience is pretty common actually, but YOU haven't been paying attention to this world. It's well-established, explained in clinical psychology.

Guy who doesn't understand that we don't experience the world as it is, but we experience a model of the world in our heads, immediately thinks that God is controlling him when this model in his head has major malfunctions. How tedious.

Duh...that's a copout. Remember you can only be agnostic about your atheism. One can know that God exists through empirical evidence provided to that individual, such that that individual gains gnosis. One cannot know that God does NOT exist, since that would require knowing EVERYTHING about the universe and perhaps multiverse.

But you can't quote me claiming that God definitely doesnt exist, right? (I prefer Goddess btw)

Sure I can, I just know you could never prove it. As we are having this little chat, I am working on the opposite to that equation. Yes, it would be nice to think of God as a Goddess - when it has me in heaven at times and makes love to my entire being - indeed sexual ecstasy that it can 'inflict' is ...mmm... - but it appears the dude is Gay or at least bi after all -

[Atla]

Duh...that's a copout. Remember you can only be agnostic about your atheism. One can know that God exists through empirical evidence provided to that individual, such that that individual gains gnosis. One cannot know that God does NOT exist, since that would require knowing EVERYTHING about the universe and perhaps multiverse.

But you can't quote me claiming that God definitely doesnt exist, right? (I prefer Goddess btw)

Sure I can, I just know you could never prove it. As we are having this little chat, I am working on the opposite to that equation. Yes, it would be nice to think of God as a Goddess - when it has me in heaven at times and makes love to my entire being - indeed sexual ecstasy that it can 'inflict' is ...mmm... - but it appears the dude is Gay or at least bi after all -

Okay, then quote me claiming that God definitely, certainly doesn't exist.

[attofishpi]

But you can't quote me claiming that God definitely doesnt exist, right? (I prefer Goddess btw)

Sure I can, I just know you could never prove it. As we are having this little chat, I am working on the opposite to that equation. Yes, it would be nice to think of God as a Goddess - when it has me in heaven at times and makes love to my entire being - indeed sexual ecstasy that it can 'inflict' is ...mmm... - but it appears the dude is Gay or at least bi after all -

Okay, then quote me claiming that God definitely, certainly doesn't exist.

I can quote your claim here you go:- quote me claiming that God definitely, certainly doesn't exist.

Once you have gnosis, there is no avenue to being an atheist.

I guess, since my argument goes along these two options, on the point 2. I could claim to be an atheist, that there is plausible, but from what has been garnered since the sage introduced himself to me - er - point 1. is my comprehension.

Either:-
1. God is divine and constructs our reality in real-time.
2. 'God' is A.I. - artificial intelligence - that we have evolved into a simulation (see simulation hypothesis) ..again, our reality is constructed in real-time.
NB. The reason we would evolve into a simulation is to conserve resources as entropy increases.

[Age]

I have long suspected that I'm the only person left on this forum who is both intelligent and has a clue, but now I'm finally completely certain of it. This isn't even funny anymore so I'm off, I'm just making a fool of myself by being here.

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I've thought something similar to that before, myself. It's not that outrageous to wonder...

Which is VERY SURPRISING considering the CLAIMS that you make here.

and it speaks more of frustration or bafflement than ego.

A PRIME EXAMPLE here of the 'ego' AT WORK, TRYING ITS HARDEST to CONVINCE itself, that it is NOT it is NOT an 'egotist', and has PURE "rational", "logical", and "reasonable" REASONS WHY it is the ONLY one who is BOTH 'intelligent' AND has a 'clue'.

And LOL you say this as though you two are the ONLY adult human beings who have ever FELT and THOUGHT like this.

MOST, however, were just NOT obnoxious and egotistic to THINK this OUT ALOUD.

Seriously, how can there be so many people with some kind of psychosis or bizarre idiocy wandering across this forum?

And, to some, 'you', "lacewing" are up there with the HIGHEST form of psychosis or bizarre idiocy.

Or, can you STILL REALLY NOT YET SEE and UNDERSTAND this FACT?

The high ratio is perplexing.

To REMAIN and continually SPEAK IN, a 'forum', where one WONDERS how there can be SO MANY PEOPLE with some kind of PSYCHOSIS in it, explains A LOT about WHY 'you' REMAIN here, which is ALSO OBVIOUSLY MAKING the NUMBER OF PEOPLE here HIGHER.

There's no need to list all their names. However, I will mention Bob Evenson (no longer here)... as one of the first I encountered... whose posts still make me laugh out loud when I run across them. Oh what fun and fury we had!

WHY do you think or BELIEVE there is NO NEED to list ALL of "them", or even ANY one of the current ones?

I have absolutely NO FEAR whatsoever 'you' mentioning and POINTING 'me' OUT.

Or, have you just obtained such a BAD HABIT of NOT backing up YOUR CLAIMS that you will just continue MAKING CLAIMS but NEVER providing ANY ACTUAL THING to support those CLAIMS?

All of these rabid religious mindsets are astounding.

And those NON BELIEVERS are just RELIGIOUS.

See, while ANY one BELIEVES or DISBELIEVES some thing is true, then they are SET and STUCK, religiously, in BELIEF. And, it does NOT matter one iota what is being BELIEVED or DISBELIEVED the EXACT SAME APPLIES.

It doesn't have to be so crazy.

So, AGAIN, WHY are 'you', "lacewing", making this all SO CRAZY with YOUR OWN BELIEF, that YOUR OWN VIEW of things is the BEST VIEW, which ALL "others" SHOULD HAVE and SHOULD FOLLOW as well?

There is plenty of natural and simple goodness inside and outside religion to gain value from.

What WILL BE FOUND is that what the word 'religion' ACTUALLY refers to, then HAVING and FOLLOWING the True RELIGION is what ACTUALLY creates, and causes, Peace on earth, as it is in Heaven, as some would say.

But you will NEVER get to this REALIZATION and UNDERSTANDING because you continuously BELIEVE ALL RELIGION is BAD, EVIL, or NO GOOD AT ALL.

Why do some people have to get all complex and/or psychotic about it?

Which is EXACTLY what 'you' are DOING HERE.

You CONSISTENTLY, INSISTENTLY, and INCESSANTLY, or just plain 'psychotically', want 'us' to agree with and accept that your way of LOOKING AT and SEEING things is the BEST and RIGHT way, and that 'we' ALL should CHANGE to YOUR WAY.

Do they think the more extreme the ideas, the more impressive it is?

Have you EVER considered asking "them" this CLARIFYING QUESTION, INSTEAD of PUBLICLY EXPOSING the thoughts, which exist within that body, and which 'you' BELIEVE 'you' ALREADY KNOW the ANSWER to ANYWAY?

Their paths don't seem to demonstrate such rewards/benefits.

And could this be said in relation to 'you' also "lacewing".

How are your views rewarding or benefiting you, in this forum?

Rather, they often seem tortured.

There appears to a LOT MORE LOOKING AT the "other", INSTEAD of AT "one's OWN self", and their behaviors.

[Age]

So if I may ask, what do you think of the concepts of Pantheism or Panentheism?

Why should I answer any more of your questions, considering that you act like a butthead in response?

And 'we' can SEE here, quite clearly, 'that' is what was called, and referred to as, a "butt head response", in and of ITSELF.

The PROJECTING and HYPOCRISY appears to be never-ending.

I suggest WHY you "should", or better worded, WHY it is BETTER for 'you' to answer CLARIFYING QUESTIONS is so that 'you' can be BETTER UNDERSTOOD.

I'm really not interested in talking to you.

Clearly U R.

That was then, this is now... for the moment. You were probably being obnoxious then too.

So, here we have an EXAMPLE of one who BELIEVES that they have to RIGHT to attempt to RIDICULE "others" but also has the RIGHT to NOT be CHALLENGED NOR QUESTIONED in regards to THEIR CLAIMS.

[Age]

The contradiction you see is due to your limited thinking, demonstrated here by the definition you've come up with.

The intelligence is within, not behind.

All is one, there is no other. We could use the word 'god' for that, but most people use that word to describe something that is other and behind.

WHO uses the 'God' word as some 'thing' that is other and/or behind?

Let "them" speak for "themselves" and let 'us' SEE those words, for "ourselves".

The illusion of separateness fuels stories.

The REASON WHY this happens is just BECAUSE of the way the ALWAYS EVOLVING human brain works. The human brain has to separate thee One and ONLY 'Thing', into PERCEIVED "separate" things. It HAS TO DO this in order to be able to LOOK AT ALL-THERE-IS FULLY, and thus, in order, to be ABLE to SEE, WORK OUT, and UNDERSTAND, ALL-THERE-IS.

Some people go insane with that -- perhaps understandably so, if they are ripping themselves apart from all that they are naturally/innately part of.

WHY do you appear to be FIXATED on "others" and their PSYCHOTICS. A PROJECTION?

Considering the vast diversity of human thought, might it be that we humans (each and collectively) see whatever we put our minds to -- and although the vast potential of that can seem magnificent, there is nothing that is particularly profound or complicated?

ANY thing is POSSIBLE with the THINKING of 'you', human beings.

However, to just CORRECT one thing here:
'you', human beings, do NOT have "your minds", which 'you' could, supposedly, "put" anywhere, from which to "see whatever" from. The REASON WHY 'you' SEE that are NOT REAL NOR True is because of just THOUGHTS and THINKING, itself.

Also, there is absolutely NOTHING complicated NOR hard AT ALL, especially in regards to the Universe and to Life, Itself.

Can we be at peace with that -- or must we keep turning it into things that make us crazy?

'We' can be and ARE ALREADY, AT Peace.

'you', however, do keep turning 'It' into, PERCEIVED 'separated things', which is what is making 'you' crazy, and which is what is helping 'you' to continually SEE 'craziness' in "others", as well.

LISTEN AGE.

1. You may have noticed I DO NOT bother discussing with you - you are one of the nutjob 'theists' that arrogantly talk down to others, and usually are talking or asking SHIT. - you are one of the ones that do a disservice to other theists here.

LOL if you even THINK that 'i' am a "theist", let alone BELIEVE this to be true, then 'you' will find that 'you' are VERY SADLY MISTAKEN.

And, LOL is calling "another" a "nut job" NOT "arrogantly talking down to "others"?

2. ALL OF THE ABOVE QUOTES (apart from 1st) WERE LACEWINGs STATEMENTS - NOT attofishpi - I wouldn't talk such spiritual drivel.

I APOLOGIZE for misquoting 'you' with "someone else".

[Age]

damn, I left out the guy who achieved gnosis via the third, vertical dimension of being..

Hey, and don't forget the guy whose ego is so huge that he needs a wheelbarrow to help carry around the overflow.

I'm talking about the person who wrote this:

I have long suspected that I'm the only person left on this forum who is both intelligent and has a clue, but now I'm finally completely certain of it. This isn't even funny anymore so I'm off, I'm just making a fool of myself by being here.

Like I said the last time I pointed this out to you, you definitely got the bolded part right.
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You seem pretty butthurt, but I also got the other parts right. It's just fact not ego, that sub-genius level people can't add anything new to philosophy, and they don't realize it.

If you think that ALLUDING to "one's self" as being at 'genius' level, by labeling "others" as being at "sub-genius level people", is NOT the 'ego' AT WORK, then here we have ANOTHER EXAMPLE of just one one can FOOL their OWN self ALL TO QUICKLY and VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY.

Also, 'what', EXACTLY, do 'you', "atla", think you have ADDED to this 'philosophy forum'?

Besides I'm no longer making fool of myself as I gave up any chance for learning anything new, just trolling for fun here.

But this CONTRADICTS your previous CLAIM that 'you' were making a fool of "yourself" just, by being here.

So, you now seem to consider that 'you' 'being here' is NO longer 'you' making a fool of "yourself" because you do NOT have ANY chance AT ALL at learning ANY thing new. Which, to "others", SHOWS and REVEALS that 'you' are either Truly A FOOL, for remaining here, OR, that 'you' ACTUALLY think or BELIEVE that there is NOTHING NEW for 'you' to learn.

So, 'you' are either a FOOL, from "others" perspectives, or a GENIUS, from your OWN perspective. But either way 'you' are REVEALING the 'ego' AT WORK. That is; the 'ego' can only FOOL some, some of the time. But 'it' can NOT FOOL ALL, ALL of the time.