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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:39 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:14 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:18 pm
The ones mimicing the Last Supper don't have a halo because the Last Supper doesn't have a halo.... look at it.

I know. And I thought about responding to this preventatively.

It's not a pagan symbol. It's a Christian one. It leads one towards a Christian interpretation. And the image of various organic plant stuff over someone's head is not like the metallic halo over hers. Given their knowledge and intentions with pagan iconography why in the world would they go for a metallic (looking, don't know what it's made of) non-life based halo. And one with beams of light radiating from it - also in many halos in Christian iconography.

And as in the Simpsons, Christ is haloed by something else, the window behind him, which puts more light around him than anyone. Davinci wanted a more naturalistic Jesus. Notice above that window, the half-circle, which hints at the halo and is not coincidental. You need a better image than the one in your post.

When we aren't letting alt-right anger-muppets frame everything, this looks like the actual scene with all the characters, rather than an intermediate to set up, correct? You kow, it has the supper on the table unlike the one you are focussing on that doesn't.


The central character doesn't have a metallic looking halo, he is Dionysus and he has the usual wreath of grapes and shit that go with that costume. So I wouldn't want to come across as condescending, but my understanding of the mythology surrounding Dionysus has him claiming a princess for a wife.... a lady by the name of Ariadne ... if the name rings a bell, it might be because he gifted her a crown which forms the constellation Corona Borealis

If you drop your prejudices and actually look at that thing on her head without letting the racist and the miserable crone set the tone for you... you might notice those things you identified as her metallic halo are actually Ariadne's crown of stars.

Oh for fuck sake. I couldn't care less if anyone makes fun of christianity, but imagine if it has been islam instead and the uproar THAT would have caused, with wokies like you shrieking their outrage the loudest (islamists wouldn't have shrieked they would have just started killing people).
They targeted christianity because it's safe to. That's cowardly.

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:20 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:00 pm First thought that came to mind: ah there's Judas with a big knife in the hand, in a pose ready to strike

The French really meant no big disrespect by the way. They have no particular beef with Christianity and the Greeks and non-LGBT+ people - the French simply hate everyone and everything (and everyone else hates them back). They are creeps with bad taste and this was one of their ideas of a harmless joke.

I certainly don't hate the French. Why would anyone hate the French? They aren't crass, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, fat ignoramuses who constantly boast about their country being 'the greatest'. It's not France's fault that the American virus of woke has infected the Western world.

Of course I don't hate the French, but they are easily more crass and obnoxious than the Americans.. Imagine if history had gone the other way with the French beating the British, and with the French crassness and obnoxiousness easily spreading across the globe, oh my god..

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:00 pm The French really meant no big disrespect by the way.

I'd say > 90% of the French population would take offence to that, per the fact that about 90% of the population likely think the WOKE agenda should have been kept out of the olympics as does most of the sane population of the world.

Talking of how the French feel, this is hilarious.

I love these guys - different presenters daily\weekly:- The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

9 mins in, a French family are videoed reacting as they watch the ridiculous woke crap ceremony..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_QtbezInQ&t=547s

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:32 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:00 pm The French really meant no big disrespect by the way.

I'd say > 90% of the French population would take offence to that, per the fact that about 90% of the population likely think the WOKE agenda should have been kept out of the olympics as does most of the sane population of the world.

But they would have done the same in the organizers's shoes anyway Because it's cringeworthy

Face it. Olympic opening ceremonies are always boring as feck anyway. At least as the Paris one was outside the stadium you could escape its tedium.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 am Talking of how the French feel, this is hilarious.

I love these guys - different presenters daily\weekly:- The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

9 mins in, a French family are videoed reacting as they watch the ridiculous woke crap ceremony..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_QtbezInQ&t=547s

Ah the French.. even in embarrassment, their body language is so entitled and obnoxious

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:39 am Face it. Olympic opening ceremonies are always boring as feck anyway. At least as the Paris one was outside the stadium you could escape its tedium.

Fark oorf!!

You clearly have forgotten the best one ever - the English one where the Queen parachuted in from a helicopter and Mr Bean played one key on a keyboard..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:12 pm Imagine if history had gone the other way with the French beating the British, and with the French crassness and obnoxiousness easily spreading across the globe, oh my god..

But at least the Merovingian wouldn't have to use the complicated phrase "it's like wiping your ass with silk" because we would have 17 different words for it

okay I'll stop now

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:45 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 am Talking of how the French feel, this is hilarious.

I love these guys - different presenters daily\weekly:- The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

9 mins in, a French family are videoed reacting as they watch the ridiculous woke crap ceremony..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_QtbezInQ&t=547s

Ah the French.. even in embarrassment, their body language is so entitled and obnoxious

You mean refined and sophisticated. But don't worry, I see at this Olympics that crass American 'air punching' and noisy over-emoting has infected even traditionally refined and dignified competitors like the Chinese and Japanese. You should feel happy about that.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:44 pm My first instinct was to think it was a reference to the last supper as well, especially given the halo. It turns out the halo is also a commonly used part of Apollo representation.

This actually supports my position. I think any somewhat culturally literate person is going to think of the Last Supper. Further, I think any team of artists and an organization filled with people with college degrees, etc., would realize that the Last Supper will be elicited. FSP says that it is not Apollo, but Ariadne. To me those are both possible, but how they could miss the trigger for the coming storm is hard to imagine (for me).

Apollo, I think is a better choice than Ariadne given the form of the halo. Though the version the woman has is almost a combination of a papal mitre/tiara type headear and a halo.

My argument is not that it cannot be somehow pagan iconorgraphy, but like the Simpsons bar 'Last Supper' people get it, even though in the bar there isn't any Christian iconography.

And while we in the quasi-comparative religion region:
Apollo: Son of Zeus, god of light and prophecy, healer.
Jesus:...........

I didn't watch the show, it looked cheesy and boring tbh, but I personally doubt they were trying to upset Christians in particular. But, if I were part of the focus group and they asked me "would this offend anybody?" I would of course guess that Christians would be offended.. Whether that's on accident or entirely purposeful, I don't want to guess.

I supposed arguments in favor of error and missing things will always have merit regarding humans. LOL.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:48 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:39 am Face it. Olympic opening ceremonies are always boring as feck anyway. At least as the Paris one was outside the stadium you could escape its tedium.

Fark oorf!!

You clearly have forgotten the best one ever - the English one where the Queen parachuted in from a helicopter and Mr Bean played one key on a keyboard..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

..the Mr Bean bit that was missing from the above..fuck I love my country. ..we will take the piss out of NE thing. (Oz aint bad either )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwzjlmBLfrQ

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:07 am I'm not complaining about the pagan aspects. I am more or less pagan.

What does that mean or entail in relation to God(s)?

C'mon, what does Iwannaplato believe?

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:26 pm Oh for fuck sake. I couldn't care less if anyone makes fun of christianity, but imagine if it has been islam instead and the uproar THAT would have caused, with wokies like you shrieking their outrage the loudest (islamists wouldn't have shrieked they would have just started killing people).
They targeted christianity because it's safe to. That's cowardly.

Yeah, I don't want to be part of a religion that everybody and their little sister can insult ad libitum.

Andrew Tate also pointed that out. Islam is a respectable religion, if only, because it enforces respect. People don't even need to love you -- Who even cares? -- as long as they fear your reprisals.

At the almost invisible foundations of society, there is a hell of a lot of violence that keeps things in place.

The alternative is Christian Lalaland where everybody is supposedly everybody else's friend and where people are free to mock other people's religion.