Olympic drag queens mock Christianity

[attofishpi]

Nah..that disgusting scene of queer freaks definitely are taking a jab at Christianity & The Last Supper

You forgot to remind us you are as open minded as the next man..

Man? What dress size are you anyway?

The Last Supper



Queer Freakshow...


I don't give much of a crap what a bunch freaks do for attention - Last Supper or otherwise, but again, what relevance does a bunch of fat men dressed as women WITH children being in a "frenzied orgiastic" display have to do with the Olympics?

[mickthinks]

You think in Qatar they would have a satirical retake on Islam?

No, but that wasn’t quite the question you asked. Is it like the question you wish you’d asked? Do you want to try again?

[Iwannaplato]

You think in Qatar they would have a satirical retake on Islam?

No, but that wasn’t quite the question you asked. Is it like the question you wish you’d asked? Do you want to try again?

Well, perhaps I didn't understand your post...

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:27 am
If the games were being held in, say, Qatar, Islam might be featured.

What did you mean? And was it a response to my post? If yes, how?

[Iwannaplato]

And those intended to bring in the Last Supper images don't even have a central figure with a halo, which is primarily a Christian symbol.

The ones mimicing the Last Supper don't have a halo because the Last Supper doesn't have a halo.... look at it.

I know. And I thought about responding to this preventatively.

It's not a pagan symbol. It's a Christian one. It leads one towards a Christian interpretation. And the image of various organic plant stuff over someone's head is not like the metallic halo over hers. Given their knowledge and intentions with pagan iconography why in the world would they go for a metallic (looking, don't know what it's made of) non-life based halo. And one with beams of light radiating from it - also in many halos in Christian iconography.

And as in the Simpsons, Christ is haloed by something else, the window behind him, which puts more light around him than anyone. Davinci wanted a more naturalistic Jesus. Notice above that window, the half-circle, which hints at the halo and is not coincidental. You need a better image than the one in your post.



There's no reason for that Halo in the Olympic version. Any person culturally literate on almost any level is going to get the Last Supper reference. Anyone thinking for a second would know how Christians are going to react and none of it is necessary. They could easily have had pagan iconography without the Last Supper echoes.

And wait a minute. One of your arguments earlier was that a French person would not use an Italian painter. Why are they then going back to roman or greek paganism? Why not that of the franks or celts? And why do none of the painting of Bacchanalia that I find even have a feast table and most seem to have a circular format with, yes, backs to the viewer?

[mickthinks]

Let me try again.

It seems unlikely that there would have been a similar opening ceremony where Islam was the focus.

I disagree. If the games were being held in, say, Qatar, I think it quite likely that there would have been a similar opening ceremony where Islam was the focus. I’m guessing that you might need to rephrase your question to make whatever point you wanted to make there.

[Iwannaplato]

Let me try again.

It seems unlikely that there would have been a similar opening ceremony where Islam was the focus.

I disagree. If the games were being held in, say, Qatar, I think it quite likely that there would have been a similar opening ceremony where Islam was the focus.

OK, so you think Christianity was in the focus?

I ask because that was what I meant. That it seems unlikely they would have resymbolized Islam as they did Christianity. I can see how this might not have been clear on my part.

So, to me the Last Supper symbolism is pretty clear. I was saying I couldn't imagine them having an equivalent with Islam (or any other major religion). That that would be off-limit

[FlashDangerpants]

And those intended to bring in the Last Supper images don't even have a central figure with a halo, which is primarily a Christian symbol.

The ones mimicing the Last Supper don't have a halo because the Last Supper doesn't have a halo.... look at it.

I know. And I thought about responding to this preventatively.

It's not a pagan symbol. It's a Christian one. It leads one towards a Christian interpretation. And the image of various organic plant stuff over someone's head is not like the metallic halo over hers. Given their knowledge and intentions with pagan iconography why in the world would they go for a metallic (looking, don't know what it's made of) non-life based halo. And one with beams of light radiating from it - also in many halos in Christian iconography.

And as in the Simpsons, Christ is haloed by something else, the window behind him, which puts more light around him than anyone. Davinci wanted a more naturalistic Jesus. Notice above that window, the half-circle, which hints at the halo and is not coincidental. You need a better image than the one in your post.

When we aren't letting alt-right anger-muppets frame everything, this looks like the actual scene with all the characters, rather than an intermediate to set up, correct? You kow, it has the supper on the table unlike the one you are focussing on that doesn't.


The central character doesn't have a metallic looking halo, he is Dionysus and he has the usual wreath of grapes and shit that go with that costume. So I wouldn't want to come across as condescending, but my understanding of the mythology surrounding Dionysus has him claiming a princess for a wife.... a lady by the name of Ariadne ... if the name rings a bell, it might be because he gifted her a crown which forms the constellation Corona Borealis

If you drop your prejudices and actually look at that thing on her head without letting the racist and the miserable crone set the tone for you... you might notice those things you identified as her metallic halo are actually Ariadne's crown of stars.

[mickthinks]

No, I don’t. I think any and all intentional references to Christianity were peripheral, tangential and of no consequence.

I see Flash has snuck in an inbetweenie. Too many people are participating in this thread for sensible dialogue in my view. I’m going to take a break, if you don’t mind.

[Iwannaplato]

No, I don’t. I think any and all intentional references to Christianity were peripheral, tangential and of no consequence.

OK.

[Iwannaplato]

When we aren't letting alt-right anger-muppets frame everything, this looks like the actual scene with all the characters, rather than an intermediate to set up, correct? You kow, it has the supper on the table unlike the one you are focussing on that doesn't.

The central character doesn't have a metallic looking halo, he is Dionysus and he has the usual wreath of grapes and shit that go with that costume.

So I wouldn't want to come across as condescending, but my understanding of the mythology surrounding Dionysus has him claiming a princess for a wife.... a lady by the name of Ariadne ... if the name rings a bell, it might be because he gifted her a crown which forms the constellation Corona Borealis

Well, you gave it a try at least not being condescending. This would all be a good point if I was denying there was pagan iconography and a greek one at that. So, the French don't mind going back to foreign deities, but no way they resymbolize an Italian painter.

If you drop your prejudices

Why don't you drop the ad homs.

and actually look at that thing on her head without letting the racist and the miserable crone set the tone for you

Really bad mind reading. I saw the Last Supper in there on my own and it's not surprising others are. Accelefin and I tend not to get along - understatement - so your showing poor psychological insight as well.

you might notice those things you identified as her metallic halo are actually Ariadne's crown of stars.

That is the best point you've made so far. See, if you can manage to do such things without being an ass.

That seems possible though I think it looks more like a halo, than that.

And even the circle of stars has Christian use
That's good old Mary.

I still have yet to see any image in French paintings of Bacchanalia that even almost as echoed as the Last Supper is. Yes, later tableaus looked less like it. All they needed to do and managed to do was evoke the Last Supper to get precisely what is happening to happen. People get it immediately and not just conservatives or people under the sway of accelefin. I'm certainly not denying pagan iconography. I am suggesting either they foolishly missed what was going to be seen or intentionly used the Last Supper as inspiration for that part of the opening. If it was foolish, well, ok, it happens. If it was intentional, then I don't like it. I see a lot of effort being put into triggering people on both sides. Yes, they get triggered anyway, on both sides, but I think there are intentional efforts also.

And if we happen to know any French people and we'd know they'd want to honor their own people and not, say, Italians, why the heck didn't they use Celtic (Gaulish) deities and symbols. Dionysus and Ariadne would be betrayals of national or area pride. They got more Roman paganism than Greek, if they have to go out of their area. Not that I think the lack of Celtic stuff means there's Christian stuff in there, just focusing, yeah, again, on that argument you used.

[FlashDangerpants]

If you drop your prejudices

Why don't you drop the ad homs.

That is the best point you've made so far. See, if you can manage to do such things without being an ass.

That's some clumsy hypocrisy right there.

I've wasted enough time in the religion sub. This 'War on Christmas' bullshit just goes around endlessly with all the Christians always moaning about trivial slights as if it's themselves up on that fucking cross. This is just them doing that again. Call that an ad hom if you want, it's just the truth though.

[Atla]

First thought that came to mind: ah there's Judas with a big knife in the hand, in a pose ready to strike

The French really meant no big disrespect by the way. They have no particular beef with Christianity and the Greeks and non-LGBT+ people - the French simply hate everyone and everything (and everyone else hates them back). They are creeps with bad taste and this was one of their ideas of a harmless joke.

[Flannel Jesus]

My first instinct was to think it was a reference to the last supper as well, especially given the halo. It turns out the halo is also a commonly used part of Apollo representation.

I didn't watch the show, it looked cheesy and boring tbh, but I personally doubt they were trying to upset Christians in particular. But, if I were part of the focus group and they asked me "would this offend anybody?" I would of course guess that Christians would be offended.. Whether that's on accident or entirely purposeful, I don't want to guess.

[Atla]

Do you know what happiness looks like? Happiness looks like this:



But unfortunately it's just a fantasy.. this is why we can't have good things..

[accelafine]

First thought that came to mind: ah there's Judas with a big knife in the hand, in a pose ready to strike

The French really meant no big disrespect by the way. They have no particular beef with Christianity and the Greeks and non-LGBT+ people - the French simply hate everyone and everything (and everyone else hates them back). They are creeps with bad taste and this was one of their ideas of a harmless joke.

I certainly don't hate the French. Why would anyone hate the French? They aren't crass, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, fat ignoramuses who constantly boast about their country being 'the greatest'. It's not France's fault that the American virus of woke has infected the Western world.