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attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:21 pm So it's a calories thing? Your wife can work out but for you the cbf has taken over and a big gun can sort out your short comings.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:21 pm ..but allowing gangs to have guns and take over the "fucking city" is rational?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:24 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:21 pm So it's a calories thing? Your wife can work out but for you the cbf has taken over and a big gun can sort out your short comings.

No. It's a time thing.

Why don't you just become skilled at walking/running/using your feet. What do you need a car for?

Are you compensating for your shortcomings?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:24 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:21 pm ..but allowing gangs to have guns and take over the "fucking city" is rational?

So your police/government couldn't stop them?

Yeah... I guess I need a fucking gun!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:27 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:24 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:21 pm So it's a calories thing? Your wife can work out but for you the cbf has taken over and a big gun can sort out your short comings.

No. It's a time thing.

Why don't you just become skilled at walking/running/using your feet. What do you need a car for?

Are you compensating for your shortcomings?

What a strange comparison. Owning a gun so you can more easily with out excertion kill people compared to running across town and not using a car!?

..idiot.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:27 pm My police have guns dude...the gangs have great difficulty getting access to them. What you say about that?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 12:59 pm
This philosophy depends on the assumption that a laws on paper and police officers on speed dial are better alternatives to gun ownership.

How about you stop pretending it's an OR and not an AND?

I wat the laws AND I want the police AND I want a gun.

That gives me the best protection possible.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:31 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:27 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:24 pm
No. It's a time thing.

Why don't you just become skilled at walking/running/using your feet. What do you need a car for?

Are you compensating for your shortcomings?

What a strange comparison. Owning a gun so you can more easily with out excertion kill people compared to running across town and not using a car!?

..idiot.

It's the exact same princiople - time convenience.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:27 pm My police have guns dude...the gangs have great difficulty getting access to them. What you say about that?

So what does your police need guns for if nobody else has them?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:32 pm What part of allowing EVERYONE to have guns is more sensible!?

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:31 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 12:59 pm
This philosophy depends on the assumption that a laws on paper and police officers on speed dial are better alternatives to gun ownership.

How about you stop pretending it's an OR and not an AND?

I wat the laws AND I want the police AND I want a gun.

That gives me the best protection possible.

If the situation is really as bad you say, then I suppose it is understandable why a law abiding citizen would feel the need to have a gun, but then I would find it hard to understand why the streets of your cities are not constantly full of law abiding citizens demonstrating their disatisfaction with the government and police for their incapability to establish a much safer environment. That's their job, and they are obviously failing miserably at it, and it is baffling why so many are more interested in keeping their guns than they are in that problem being addressed.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:33 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:32 pm What part of allowing EVERYONE to have guns is more sensible!?

I want a gun for the exact same reason your police carry guns.

Self-defence.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:36 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:33 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:32 pm What part of allowing EVERYONE to have guns is more sensible!?

I want a gun for the exact same reason your police carry guns.

Self-defence.

It's not just self defence in their case, it is LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Again, how is allowing EVERYONE to have guns more sensible than just allowing police to have guns?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:54 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:52 am Ok Skeppy.

There is playground A and playground B. Both playgrounds are for 10 year old kids and they spend a year in their allotted play area.

Which out of playground A or B is likely to have more deaths?

Playground A has no guns. Playground B has every type of gun available to the kids within the playground.

Over the year Skeppy, indeed the years that these playground setups exist, which of A or B is going to have the most murders?

Your are supper confused about what it is that you are testing for.

Your scenario is testing for accidents, not murders.

10 year olds are not legally capable of committing murder - they lack criminal capacity.

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:39 pm Accidents. Murders. An innocent is dead just the same.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:38 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:36 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:33 pm
I want a gun for the exact same reason your police carry guns.

Self-defence.

It's not just self defence in their case, it is LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Again, how is allowing EVERYONE to have guns more sensible than just allowing police to have guns?

Bullshit.

Nowhere in your law does it grant your police powers to execute criminals.

"LAW ENFORCEMENT" doesn't entail legally shooting people.

The only justifiable use of a firearm for any police officer is self-defence.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:41 pm Duh. ..and control of a situation - where the fuck are you getting the idea our police have the right to execute citizens?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:41 pm Again, how is allowing EVERYONE to have guns more sensible than just allowing police to have guns?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:44 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:41 pm Duh. ..and control of a situation - where the fuck are you getting the idea our police have the right to execute citizens?

"Control a situation"? What do you mean by that?

Are you saying that police officers can use the THREAT of lethal force without actually employing lethal force?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:44 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:41 pm Again, how is allowing EVERYONE to have guns more sensible than just allowing police to have guns?

What's the difference between a police officer and alaw-abiding citizen?

Literally every person in your country is allowed to perform a citizen's arrest.

https://www.police.act.gov.au/crime/cit ... wer-arrest

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:27 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:22 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:11 am
Now imagine what that number would've been without guns...

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Homicide? What is that...an NRA stat shitfest no doubt!!

"Long-term homicide rates across Western Europe 1250 to 2020"

Oooo nooo - 70 people per 100,000 people died (nothing to do with guns btw) back when everyone was a kunt (homicide) to present.

Now Skeppy put things into TRUE stat perspective...provide a graph of the USA deaths by guns since 1700 to present in relation to percentage of guns per population for those years.

There is no such thing as "death by gun". Guns have no causal power.

Guns are used by humans in the commission of crimes. That's called a modus operandi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_operandi

But you know what else is used in the commission of crimes? Logic. Mathematics. Science. Philosophy. Computers.

Wanna ban those?