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Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:47 am
by Logik
AlexW wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:46 am
No, it doesn’t matter how much of something is available.
Do you respect yourself?
If yes, then you have to respect everything!
Your conception of respect is bullshit. A false dichotomy.
If there is no difference in practice - I neither respect nor disrespect myself.
I am a-respectful towards myself.
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:50 am
by Logik
AlexW wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:46 am
No, it doesn’t matter how much of something is available.
Do you respect yourself?
If yes, then you have to respect everything!
It is astonishing to see how many philosophical disputes collapse into insignificance the moment you subject them to this simple test of tracing a concrete consequence. There can be no difference anywhere that doesn't make a difference elsewhere—no difference in abstract truth that doesn't express itself in a difference in concrete fact and in conduct consequent upon that fact, imposed on somebody, somehow, somewhere and some-when. The whole function of philosophy ought to be to find out what definite difference it will make to you and me, at definite instants of our life, if this world-formula or that world-formula be the true one.
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Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:53 am
by AlexW
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:47 am
If there is no difference in practice - I neither respect nor disrespect myself.
If you don’t see any difference you must be blind...
Well, maybe you are... you don’t know your self so how could you respect it...
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:54 am
by Logik
AlexW wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:53 am
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:47 am
If there is no difference in practice - I neither respect nor disrespect myself.
If you don’t see any difference you must be blind...
If you can't demonstrate a difference that I can see you must be deluded.
AlexW wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:53 am
Well, maybe you are... you don’t know your self so how could you respect it...
Lets not devolve this into ad hominems? I think it's time for you to introspect?
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:08 pm
by Dontaskme
Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:46 pm I'm asking if you think you know
the Moon.
Do you know it? Yes or no?
Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Yes, the Moon is known, it's a concept known.
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Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:19 pm
by Logik
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:08 pm
Yes, the Moon is known, it's a concept known.
Equivocation. In context of the map-territory distinction there is an object in your map that you call "The Moon".
You can express it in logic as M or any other symbol.
Do you know anything about M?
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:05 pm
by Dontaskme
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:19 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:08 pm
Yes, the Moon is known, it's a concept known.
Equivocation. In context of the map-territory distinction there is an object in your map that you call "The Moon".
You can express it in logic as M or any other symbol.
Do you know anything about M?
Yes, I know a thing about M ... I know M as a concept, a thing.
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Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:08 pm
by Logik
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:05 pm
Yes, I know a thing about M ... I know M as a concept, a thing.
That is implicit. Given that you have assigned a symbol to it.
M <---this thing represents the concept in your head.
Can you think of a symbol without a corresponding concept?
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:18 pm
by Dontaskme
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:08 pm
Can you think of a symbol without a corresponding concept?
No...because thoughts are things / concepts.
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:23 pm
by Logik
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:18 pm
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:08 pm
Can you think of a symbol without a corresponding concept?
No...because thoughts are things / concepts.
So if all thoughts are concepts.
And all concepts can be assigned a symbol.
And you can't think of a symbol without a corresponding concept.
Then it's fair to say that all thoughts/concepts are symbols and all symbols are thoughts/concepts.
M is a symbol, therefore it's also a concept.
So far we are still in the realm of deductive truisms.
What makes it knowledge?
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:25 pm
by Dontaskme
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:23 pm
What makes it knowledge?
Knowing.
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:26 pm
by Logik
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:25 pm
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:23 pm
What makes it knowledge?
Knowing.
How do you know that you know?
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:32 pm
by Dontaskme
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:26 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:25 pm
Logik wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:23 pm
What makes it knowledge?
Knowing.
How do you know that you know?
By BEING PRESENT.
This is known in being.
It's not a someone that knows, you are the knowing, that cannot be known.
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Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:33 pm
by Logik
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:32 pm
By BEING PRESENT.
This is known in being.
It's not a someone that knows, you are the knowing, that cannot be known.
Ah well. So close to abandoning the religion of gnosticism yet so far.
Re: Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:58 pm
by Speakpigeon
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:08 pm
Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:46 pm I'm asking if you think you know
the Moon. Do you know it? Yes or no? Do you think you know that the Moon exists?
Yes, the Moon is known,
I'm not asking you if the Moon
is known. I'm asking you if you think you know that
the Moon exists.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:08 pm
it's a concept known.
I'm not asking you if
the concept of the Moon is known. I'm asking you if you think you know that the
Moon exists.
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