The Scapegoat

[Nick_A]

It is all the same stuff. The problem is remembering it.

You're right Nick, you have great awareness of the human condition, that's all I'm saying.

The thing is, no one can kill the spirit, it's immortal.

The great beast doesn't want us to know that.

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Here is where we differ in our perspectives. The spirit may be immortal but we are not. From my perspective we are the tripartite soul as described by Plato. In the chariot allegory the white horse represents our higher part while the dark horse represents our lower part which has become corrupted. The charioteer must reconcile the attractions of both - above and below. Without the necessary nourishment from quality conscious impressions the horses lose their wings so to speak and become earthbound.

Secular progressive education doesn't recognize the higher and lower parts of the collective human soul or essence so has no idea how to educate the charioteer resulting in the gradual loss of our connection to higher consciousness.

When the charioteer loses its purpose and becomes nothing but an atom of the great beast, we lose awareness of our fallen nature. The result is spirit killing for us which of course has little to do with the quality of spirit which is the source of creation.

[Dalek Prime]

There's no soul, let alone tripartite soul. Neither is there some great beast. You guys just make up stuff to talk about.

Charioteer... holy fuck :/.... Elizabeth of Bohemia figured out what crap Descartes was spewing when he tried to tell her to accept the soul as a given.

[Nick_A]

There's no soul, let alone tripartite soul. Neither is there some great beast. You guys just make up stuff to talk about.

Charioteer... holy fuck :/.... Elizabeth of Bohemia figured out what crap Descartes was spewing when he tried to tell her to accept the soul as a given.

For the sake of others who may not share the denials of Greta and DP and open to conscious contemplation of who and what we are in relation to the potential for human being, I will post a link which describes Plato's Chariot.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles ... e-chariot/

What is a man? What sort of man should I be? What does it mean to live a good life? What is the best way to live and how do I attain excellence? What should I aim for, and what training and practices must I do to achieve those aims?

Such questions have been asked for thousands of years. Few men have grappled with them more, and provided keener insight to the answers, than the philosophers of ancient Greece. In particular, Plato’s vision of the tripartite nature of the soul, or psyche, as explained though the allegory of the chariot, is something I have returned to throughout my life. It furnishes an unmatched symbol of what a man is, can be, and what he must do to bridge those two points and attain andreia (manliness), arête (excellence), and finally eudaimonia (full human flourishing).

[Dalek Prime]

For the sake of others who may not share Nick's fantasies regarding the soul... Ah, bugger it. Go ahead and believe horse pucky. But I'll tell you this; human potential extends to extinction, like 99+% of everything that preceded us, and 100% of anything that may follow. Now there's potential for you. :/

[Greta]

This channel-changing to suit your focus of the moment is why it seems you are in a spin, and that you'll say/ignore anything within that.

Exactly.

There appears to be no point in talking to these loonies with their endless drivel and whining.

Dalek, escape while you can!

[Nick_A]

The great philosophical questions of the past have been rejected in favor of attacking scapegoats. The essential question "who am I" has been replaced by the modern need to prove if "yo momma sucks" making yo momma just another scapegoat.

I'll stick with Plato but it does seem to be a lost cause now that the attack against the scapegoats has captured and diminished the secular progressive mind to the degree it has.

[Dalek Prime]

This channel-changing to suit your focus of the moment is why it seems you are in a spin, and that you'll say/ignore anything within that.

Exactly.

There appears to be no point in talking to these loonies with their endless drivel and whining.

Dalek, escape while you can!

I've been trying to for the past 55 years, Greta.

[Greta]

This channel-changing to suit your focus of the moment is why it seems you are in a spin, and that you'll say/ignore anything within that.

Exactly.

There appears to be no point in talking to these loonies with their endless drivel and whining.

Dalek, escape while you can!

I've been trying to for the past 55 years, Greta.

The only thing you'll escape on this thread is your sanity from overexposure to deluded self righteousness and rank stupidity.

Fancy being so shameless as to pretend that one is representing Plato's view! Transparently big-noting himself with unearned appeals to authority while his comments make clear that he does not comprehend Plato in the least - nor any philosopher who demands rigour rather than abject kind of self indulgence displayed by this thread's fanatical evangelist contingent.

[Dontaskme]

Here is where we differ in our perspectives. The spirit may be immortal but we are not. From my perspective we are the tripartite soul as described by Plato. In the chariot allegory the white horse represents our higher part while the dark horse represents our lower part which has become corrupted. The charioteer must reconcile the attractions of both - above and below. Without the necessary nourishment from quality conscious impressions the horses lose their wings so to speak and become earthbound.

Secular progressive education doesn't recognize the higher and lower parts of the collective human soul or essence so has no idea how to educate the charioteer resulting in the gradual loss of our connection to higher consciousness.

When the charioteer loses its purpose and becomes nothing but an atom of the great beast, we lose awareness of our fallen nature. The result is spirit killing for us which of course has little to do with the quality of spirit which is the source of creation.

Yeah I totally get what you are saying Nick, and I agree.

But like you say where we differ is I personally never lost awareness of source, I'd always known it from as young as I first became self-aware at 4 years old, so all I was saying is that 'spirit killing' is not always sucessful, in that no one ever broke my spirit to be free, balanced, and blissful, so why do think that is Nick?

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[Dontaskme]

There appears to be no point in talking to these loonies with their endless drivel and whining.

Dalek, escape while you can!

Greta couldn't escape out of a paper bag. She talks about how loony all this is, yet can't remove herself from it for a single moment, it draws her in every time, because she loves nothing more than whinning about endless drivel. She does this because she enjoys stirring the cauldren, otherwise she'd stop reading these endless drivel fueled posts and ignore them once and for all, but she can't do it, she's scared to miss out on all the gossip. Basically, shes a shit stirrer, she likes poking her stick around and getting off on the effects.

Time and time again she's said no point talking to these loonies, yet here she is again... always lurking around the filth.

No offence Greta...but you don't practice what you preach to yourself do you...I'm sure your a really lovely person. All people are generally jolly nice except when they get behind their silly mask, or behind computer screens.

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[Dontaskme]

For the sake of others who may not share Nick's fantasies regarding the soul... Ah, bugger it. Go ahead and believe horse pucky. But I'll tell you this; human potential extends to extinction, like 99+% of everything that preceded us, and 100% of anything that may follow. Now there's potential for you. :/

Clueless.

Can source energy ..the creator of all, ever become victim of extinction?

I don't think so.



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That which starts, will end.

But that which never started will never end.

And if you think you know where you started, please share, I'm all ears?




You are a silly billy.

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[Dalek Prime]

For the sake of others who may not share Nick's fantasies regarding the soul... Ah, bugger it. Go ahead and believe horse pucky. But I'll tell you this; human potential extends to extinction, like 99+% of everything that preceded us, and 100% of anything that may follow. Now there's potential for you. :/

Clueless.

Can source energy ..the creator of all, ever become victim of extinction?

I don't think so.



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That which starts, will end.

But that which never started will never end.

And if you think you know where you started, please share, I'm all ears?




You are a silly billy.

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I'm a product of conception, allowing the eventuality of a conscious awareness. I don't care about source energy or whatever you think you know about it. It wasn't conscious, and didn't become my issue until my consciousness came along. Why I'm bothering answering this is beyond me, because you're the one with all the answers, and will just tell me how wrong I am. So enjoy your fantasy of being the umpteenth iteration of some know-it-all deity or guru.

[Dalek Prime]

There appears to be no point in talking to these loonies with their endless drivel and whining.

Dalek, escape while you can!

Greta couldn't escape out of a paper bag. She talks about how loony all this is, yet can't remove herself from it for a single moment, it draws her in every time, because she loves nothing more than whinning about endless drivel. She does this because she enjoys stirring the cauldren, otherwise she'd stop reading these endless drivel fueled posts and ignore them once and for all, but she can't do it, she's scared to miss out on all the gossip. Basically, shes a shit stirrer, she likes poking her stick around and getting off on the effects.

Time and time again she's said no point talking to these loonies, yet here she is again... always lurking around the filth.

No offence Greta...but you don't practice what you preach to yourself do you...I'm sure your a really lovely person. All people are generally jolly nice except when they get behind their silly mask, or behind computer screens.

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Funny thing is, you and Nick think you're exceptions to the rule of masks, computer screens or magical crystal balls. Or even balls of thefluffy, unshaven variety.

As for poking her stick around, that's what philosophers do; stir things up to see what really lurks in the muck. Scepticism is a time honored tradition.

[Dalek Prime]

Exactly.

There appears to be no point in talking to these loonies with their endless drivel and whining.

Dalek, escape while you can!

I've been trying to for the past 55 years, Greta.

The only thing you'll escape on this thread is your sanity from overexposure to deluded self righteousness and rank stupidity.

Fancy being so shameless as to pretend that one is representing Plato's view! Transparently big-noting himself with unearned appeals to authority while his comments make clear that he does not comprehend Plato in the least - nor any philosopher who demands rigour rather than abject kind of self indulgence displayed by this thread's fanatical evangelist contingent.

Plato is overrated anyway. We've had centuries to better understand the human condition through philosophy, and to dismiss these achievements for pre-history is just sad. It's akin to studying 19th century boolean logic, and supposing you understand modern computation, though dismissing that which builds to it. Or assuming the old notion of infinity makes sense, though though by definition, there can't possibly be a one to one correspondence between even numbers and the set of all.

And I just saw where this charioteer stuff was linked to; the art of manliness! I doubt I'm going to learn anything of interest from some men's whining club.

[Dontaskme]

Secular progressive education doesn't recognize the higher and lower parts of the collective human soul or essence so has no idea how to educate the charioteer resulting in the gradual loss of our connection to higher consciousness.

Secular progressive education doesn't recognize the higher and lower parts - maybe so, but we ourselves do surely?
They don't teach nonduality in schools do they?


I believe You're the higher self it self and that it's not greater than you. That's why no secular education could penetrate me. I was one of those to make up my own mind in school about what was worthy of my attention, or what really mattered at all, or what was real, or unreal, truth or false, fake or otherwise. Needless to say, I couldn't wait to get out of that institution. I constantly felt like I needed to breathe, and to be allowed to think my own thoughts and work things out for myself.

Life and experience is your only real teacher. But if you want to be a somebody in the world, then that's okay, go for it, study how to become a doctor or a solicitor, or what ever floats your boat, we makes our choices and pays our prices, each to their own.




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