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Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:23 pm
by bahman
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:17 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:14 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:00 pm
Of course you can. People do that all the time.
That's not a very important point. To my knowledge, nobody claims Israel is without faults. No state is. However, Hamas will not quit, will not surrender, and will not negotiate -- they have declared so. And they will kill all Jews "from the river to the sea." So that's their "resolution" position.
So what's your idea, given that Hamas will not accept any resolution but genocide?
Hamas already said that they would accept a ceasefire if Israel stops the aggression. Israelis killed 21,000 civilians by now. How about stopping aggression which means that Israel stops bombing Gaza and takes its force outside of Gaza?
What happened after the last 'ceasefire'? You need to refresh my memory. I know 'something' happened but can't remember 'what'.
Hamas did wrong and now civilians pay the price. That should be the responsibility of civilized nations, such as Israel if it is really civilized, to come up with a solution to stop the genocide.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:17 pm
Wow, the 'death toll' of Gazan human shields keeps snowballing. Soon there won't be anyone left in Gaza.
Hamas is doing wrong. Israel is doing wrong as well. So what is your point?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:30 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:23 pm
Hamas did wrong
Wow. Good of you to acknowledge that they were 'a bit naughty'.
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:32 pm
by bahman
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:30 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:23 pm
Hamas did wrong
Wow. Good of you to acknowledge that they were 'a bit naughty'.
And Israel is an innocent kid in your opinion. Isn't it?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:37 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:32 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:30 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:23 pm
Hamas did wrong
Wow. Good of you to acknowledge that they were 'a bit naughty'.
And Israel is an innocent kid in your opinion. Isn't it?
In this case yeah, it's as 'innocent' as it's possible for it to be. Do you expect it to just forget about the hostages as everyone else 'conveniently' has?
Israel even gave prior warning to give people a chance to evacuate but Hamas was stopping its human shields from leaving. The IDF were having to escort Gazans themselves to protect them from Hamas thugs for fuck sake! Who else would bother?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:44 pm
by bahman
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:37 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:32 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:30 pm
Wow. Good of you to acknowledge that they were 'a bit naughty'.
And Israel is an innocent kid in your opinion. Isn't it?
In this case yeah, it's as 'innocent' as it's possible for it to be. Do you expect it to just forget about the hostages as everyone else 'conveniently' has?
How about Israel killing 100,000 civilians? When enough is enough? How about not using dumb bombs? How about not cutting electricity and water?...
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:37 pm
Israel even gave prior warning to give people a chance to evacuate but Hamas was stopping its human shields from leaving.
Great, how gentle of them!
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:37 pm
The IDF were having to escort Gazans themselves to protect them from Hamas thugs for fuck sake! Who else would bother?
Are you a fanatic Jew?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:49 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:44 pm
Are you a fanatic Jew?
How would being Jewish alter facts? Do you think facts change depending on who's saying them? I'm not Jewish. What difference would it make if I was?
Hamas knew exactly how Israel would react which is why it took the hostages in the first place. If it didn't want Gaza bombed then it could have just returned the hostages. Simple. All of the Gazan deaths are at the hands of Hamas.
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:50 pm
by phyllo
Wow, the 'death toll' of Gazan human shields keeps snowballing.
How should one interpret this statement?
It's okay that civilians keep dying? Is that it?
Soon there won't be anyone left in Gaza.
Is that when Israel stops the offensive?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:53 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:50 pm
Wow, the 'death toll' of Gazan human shields keeps snowballing.
How should one interpret this statement?
It's okay that civilians keep dying? Is that it?
Soon there won't be anyone left in Gaza.
Is that when Israel stops the offensive?
Stop pretending to care. It's embarrassing.
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:00 pm
by phyllo
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:53 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:50 pm
Wow, the 'death toll' of Gazan human shields keeps snowballing.
How should one interpret this statement?
It's okay that civilians keep dying? Is that it?
Soon there won't be anyone left in Gaza.
Is that when Israel stops the offensive?
Stop pretending to care. It's embarrassing.
I feel that I care more than you or IC.
And you two are right up there on the self-righteous pedestals.
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:03 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:00 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:53 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:50 pm
How should one interpret this statement?
It's okay that civilians keep dying? Is that it?
Is that when Israel stops the offensive?
Stop pretending to care. It's embarrassing.
I feel that I care more than you or IC.
And you two are right up there on the self-righteous pedestals.
Not 'self-righteous', just 'right' in this. I actually called him out when he started on the 'god's chosen' route.
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:05 pm
by Immanuel Can
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:14 pm
Hamas already said that they would accept a ceasefire if Israel stops the aggression.
Israel accepted. Israel stopped. Hamas waited only 15 minutes, then began firing rockets again.
What's your next idea?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:07 pm
by Immanuel Can
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:00 pm
I feel that I care more than you or IC.
Really?
Do you care about Russians? Or just Ukrainians? And do you care about Israelis? Or just Hamas?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:08 pm
by bahman
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:05 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:14 pm
Hamas already said that they would accept a ceasefire if Israel stops the aggression.
Israel accepted. Israel stopped. Hamas waited only 15 minutes, then began firing rockets again.
What's your next idea?
Then try again and again until there is peace.
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:16 pm
by phyllo
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:07 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:00 pm
I feel that I care more than you or IC.
Really?
Do you care about Russians? Or just Ukrainians? And do you care about Israelis? Or just Hamas?
Did I say somewhere that I didn't care about those people?
Re: The USA and Israel
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:14 am
by vegetariantaxidermy
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:16 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:07 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:00 pm
I feel that I care more than you or IC.
Really?
Do you care about Russians? Or just Ukrainians? And do you care about Israelis? Or just Hamas?
Did I say somewhere that I didn't care about those people?
Have you ever said you do? Could you provide a link? And no 'but whataboutisms' please.