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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:41 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:45 pm I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:41 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:45 pm I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:56 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:41 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:45 pm I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

Jew-haters have never been known to let facts get in their way, and this forum is infested with them.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:35 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:41 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:45 pm I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:12 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:35 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:41 pm
Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war...

Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:18 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:12 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:35 pm
You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war...

Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

Have you read the link?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:21 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:18 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:12 pm
Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

Have you read the link?

You don't know what a "wiki" is, obviously. It's an open-source site, which means any person with an agenda and some basic computer savvy can potentially meddle with it. So you need a neutral site, one with a good reputation for integrity, not a "wiki."

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:22 pm Unfortunately, I could not find another article that tells the whole story from the point it started otherwise I would share it.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:28 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:22 pm Unfortunately, I could not find another article that tells the whole story from the point it started otherwise I would share it.

Well, what does that suggest to you?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:28 pm Does it suggest the article is dealing in the straight facts?

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:33 pm It is backed up with 158 citations!

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:33 pm It is backed up with 158 citations!

Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm What is all that, in the present situation?

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:48 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:33 pm It is backed up with 158 citations!

Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:00 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:48 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm
Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

Of course you can. People do that all the time.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:37 pm But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

That's not a very important point. To my knowledge, nobody claims Israel is without faults. No state is. However, Hamas will not quit, will not surrender, and will not negotiate -- they have declared so. And they will kill all Jews "from the river to the sea." So that's their "resolution" position.

So what's your idea, given that Hamas will not accept any resolution but genocide?

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:14 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:00 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:48 pm
You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

Of course you can. People do that all the time.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

That's not a very important point. To my knowledge, nobody claims Israel is without faults. No state is. However, Hamas will not quit, will not surrender, and will not negotiate -- they have declared so. And they will kill all Jews "from the river to the sea." So that's their "resolution" position.

So what's your idea, given that Hamas will not accept any resolution but genocide?

Hamas already said that they would accept a ceasefire if Israel stops the aggression. Israelis killed 21,000 civilians by now. How about stopping aggression which means that Israel stops bombing Gaza and takes its force outside of Gaza?