The USA and Israel

[bahman]

I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war or you don't want to see it. You better read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%8 ... i_conflict.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

Jew-haters have never been known to let facts get in their way, and this forum is infested with them.

[Immanuel Can]

I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

Jew-haters have never been known to let facts get in their way, and this forum is infested with them.

Astonishingly, yes. It seems so. There seem to be a great number of people who want us to suppose that if some foreign power invades your borders and slaughters your citizens, even in the most brutal and unprovoked ways, then you have no legitimacy in defending your citizens against further attacks. And it's not a standard they'll apply to any other nation that Israel, interestingly.

[Immanuel Can]

I am talking about those Arabs who were forced to leave their land.

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war...

Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

[bahman]

Well, the problem began when five Arab nations simultaneously attacked Israel, intending to "push them into the sea," in 1948. So the people who 'forced' (or rather, "warned") the Palestinians to "leave their land" were the Arabs, not the Jews. And as for Gaza, the Jews 'forced' their own people who were living there to leave, so at to give that land to the Palestinians. And look what the Palestinians did with that?

You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war...

Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

Have you read the link?

[Immanuel Can]

You are biased since you either don't know the cause of war...

Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

Have you read the link?

You don't know what a "wiki" is, obviously. It's an open-source site, which means any person with an agenda and some basic computer savvy can potentially meddle with it. So you need a neutral site, one with a good reputation for integrity, not a "wiki."

[bahman]

Umm...well, that might be true of somebody...

Have you read the link?

You don't know what a "wiki" is, obviously. It's an open-source site, which means any person with an agenda and some basic computer savvy can potentially meddle with it. So you need a neutral site, one with a good reputation for integrity, not a "wiki."

So to you, the article with 158 citations is biased? Which part of the article you did not like? Unfortunately, I could not find another article that tells the whole story from the point it started otherwise I would share it.

[Alexis Jacobi]

NOTICE: I am taking today off from Beat Immanuel in the Name of Truth duty. Renewed punishment/forced teaching will resume tomorrow at 9:00 AM.

[Immanuel Can]

Unfortunately, I could not find another article that tells the whole story from the point it started otherwise I would share it.

Well, what does that suggest to you? Does it suggest the article is dealing in the straight facts?

[bahman]

Unfortunately, I could not find another article that tells the whole story from the point it started otherwise I would share it.

Well, what does that suggest to you?

It just tells the story in some parts Jews were wrong and in other parts Arabs were wrong.

Does it suggest the article is dealing in the straight facts?

It is backed up with 158 citations!

[Immanuel Can]

It is backed up with 158 citations!

Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that. What is all that, in the present situation?

[bahman]

It is backed up with 158 citations!

Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

What is all that, in the present situation?

What do you mean?

[Immanuel Can]

It is backed up with 158 citations!

Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

Of course you can. People do that all the time.

But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

That's not a very important point. To my knowledge, nobody claims Israel is without faults. No state is. However, Hamas will not quit, will not surrender, and will not negotiate -- they have declared so. And they will kill all Jews "from the river to the sea." So that's their "resolution" position.

So what's your idea, given that Hamas will not accept any resolution but genocide?

[bahman]

Unfortunately, citations aren't particularly difficult to generate...or even fabricate...especially when each refers to only one particular element in an article.

You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

Of course you can. People do that all the time.

But what's the point? Nobody doubt that Israel has faults. We all know that.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

That's not a very important point. To my knowledge, nobody claims Israel is without faults. No state is. However, Hamas will not quit, will not surrender, and will not negotiate -- they have declared so. And they will kill all Jews "from the river to the sea." So that's their "resolution" position.

So what's your idea, given that Hamas will not accept any resolution but genocide?

Hamas already said that they would accept a ceasefire if Israel stops the aggression. Israelis killed 21,000 civilians by now. How about stopping aggression which means that Israel stops bombing Gaza and takes its force outside of Gaza?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You cannot generate citations unless you are the author of all.

Of course you can. People do that all the time.

Yes, the point is to admit that Israelis and Arabs had faults so perhaps one can find a resolution for the current tragedy.

That's not a very important point. To my knowledge, nobody claims Israel is without faults. No state is. However, Hamas will not quit, will not surrender, and will not negotiate -- they have declared so. And they will kill all Jews "from the river to the sea." So that's their "resolution" position.

So what's your idea, given that Hamas will not accept any resolution but genocide?

Hamas already said that they would accept a ceasefire if Israel stops the aggression. Israelis killed 21,000 civilians by now. How about stopping aggression which means that Israel stops bombing Gaza and takes its force outside of Gaza?

What happened after the last 'ceasefire'? You need to refresh my memory. I know 'something' happened but can't remember 'what'.

Wow, the 'death toll' of Gazan human shields keeps snowballing. Soon there won't be anyone left in Gaza.