Passion

[Dontaskme]

Isn't "not being" the state you so ardently desire?

Yes, but I could never be aware I was aware of being in that state…so that’s what I mean by the “ not being “ state does not exist, in the sense it could be known to exist.

Do you understand?


The only state that can be known to exist is the conscious state.


I personally would have liked to have never been born, by that I mean never having known anything at all.

That’s what I mean.


Being consciously aware is to know through knowledge….to know the meaning of indifference you need knowledge, you need to be aware….but for someone who has never been born or made aware, there is no one to know indifference…so indifference cannot apply to “ not being” can it?

I don’t know if I’m making myself clear, but I do try.



Indifference has nothing to do with shutting yourself off from the world into a non existent state like you have proposed….indifference is just accepting life as it comes and not favouring one thing more than another over appearances that I have no control over anyway….for example….I am happy to carry on living, and I’m equally happy to drop dead any moment, I do not have any preferences because what happens to me I have no control over, so I just allow things to be, by being indifferent…..and to be indifferent I need to know I exist.


So I do not agree with you when you say things like indifference means to “not be” …that statement means nothing to me, it makes no sense to say that…for reasons I’ve just explained.

[Harbal]

I’m equally happy to drop dead any moment,

Will you shut up about dropping dead, you are really starting to worry me now.

[Dontaskme]

I’m equally happy to drop dead any moment,

Will you shut up about dropping dead, you are really starting to worry me now.

Well we’ll have to wait and see Harbal… you might go before me, who knows, we have no control.


If I did have control, I’d definitely wait for you before slipping away into the unknowable mystery of non existence. Just imagine, we’ll both be in a place where we never ever knew each other existed…

[bobmax]

Isn't "not being" the state you so ardently desire?

Yes, but I could never be aware I was aware of being in that state…so that’s what I mean by the “ not being “ state does not exist, in the sense it could be known to exist.

Do you understand?

The only state that can be known to exist is the conscious state.

I personally would have liked to have never been born, by that I mean never having known anything at all.

That’s what I mean.

Being consciously aware is to know through knowledge….to know the meaning of indifference you need knowledge, you need to be aware….but for someone who has never been born or made aware, there is no one to know indifference…so indifference cannot apply to “ not being” can it?

I don’t know if I’m making myself clear, but I do try.

Indifference has nothing to do with shutting yourself off from the world into a non existent state like you have proposed….indifference is just accepting life as it comes and not favouring one thing more than another over appearances that I have no control over anyway….for example….I am happy to carry on living, and I’m equally happy to drop dead any moment, I do not have any preferences because what happens to me I have no control over, so I just allow things to be, by being indifferent…..and to be indifferent I need to know I exist.

So I do not agree with you when you say things like indifference means to “not be” …that statement means nothing to me, it makes no sense to say that…for reasons I’ve just explained.

Indifference should not be confused with ataraxia.

Ataraxia is peace of soul.
While indifference is the emptiness of the soul.

Peace of the soul is obtained by pushing oneself higher, in the name of Good.

The emptiness of the soul takes place instead by retreating defeated by evil.

In the first case you are.
In the second case you are not.

In both cases it is not a question of knowledge.

You rightly claim lately that you don't know.
Good!
Bring your not knowing to its inevitable conclusions.

Do you think that good and evil are a simple matter of knowing?
Knowledge has nothing to do with it!

It is always and only a question of being.

Evil just doesn't make you be.
Only the Good makes you be.

In fact, evil causes pain to ourselves.

While the good has no effect on us, it is nothing. That we are.

[Dontaskme]

Isn't "not being" the state you so ardently desire?

Yes, but I could never be aware I was aware of being in that state…so that’s what I mean by the “ not being “ state does not exist, in the sense it could be known to exist.

Do you understand?

The only state that can be known to exist is the conscious state.

I personally would have liked to have never been born, by that I mean never having known anything at all.

That’s what I mean.

Being consciously aware is to know through knowledge….to know the meaning of indifference you need knowledge, you need to be aware….but for someone who has never been born or made aware, there is no one to know indifference…so indifference cannot apply to “ not being” can it?

I don’t know if I’m making myself clear, but I do try.

Indifference has nothing to do with shutting yourself off from the world into a non existent state like you have proposed….indifference is just accepting life as it comes and not favouring one thing more than another over appearances that I have no control over anyway….for example….I am happy to carry on living, and I’m equally happy to drop dead any moment, I do not have any preferences because what happens to me I have no control over, so I just allow things to be, by being indifferent…..and to be indifferent I need to know I exist.

So I do not agree with you when you say things like indifference means to “not be” …that statement means nothing to me, it makes no sense to say that…for reasons I’ve just explained.

Indifference should not be confused with ataraxia.

Ataraxia is peace of soul.
While indifference is the emptiness of the soul.

Peace of the soul is obtained by pushing oneself higher, in the name of Good.

The emptiness of the soul takes place instead by retreating defeated by evil.

In the first case you are.
In the second case you are not.

In both cases it is not a question of knowledge.

You rightly claim lately that you don't know.
Good!
Bring your not knowing to its inevitable conclusions.

Do you think that good and evil are a simple matter of knowing?
Knowledge has nothing to do with it!

It is always and only a question of being.

Evil just doesn't make you be.
Only the Good makes you be.

In fact, evil causes pain to ourselves.

While the good has no effect on us, it is nothing. That we are.

I’m sorry but I’ve no idea what you are talking about.

What you are saying is your story that means something to you personally and is happening to you there, it’s your trip so to speak.


But it’s all meaningless to me here, and does not effect my life one iota here.

Your story there will never be my story here….no more that you could ever know my mind or I could know yours….two minds can NEVER meet in reality.

BEING simply is, with or without a story.

Knowledge simply points to the illusory nature of reality…no one knows anything except in this conception aka within the artificial dream of separation where knowledge is sourced in no thing..not a thing.. Nothingness.

[Iwannaplato]

Just to be clear, the following quotes support one set of views of passion, the positive one. I am aware there is another different set. And I have experienced the negative - some people's form and focus of passion - quite a lot also.

Curiosity is, in great and generous minds, the first passion and the last.
William Samuel Johnson

Science is not only a disciple of reason but, also, one of romance and passion.
Stephen Hawking

Enjoy the journey and try to get better every day. And don't lose the passion and the love for what you do.
Nadia Comaneci

Develop a passion for learning. If you do, you will never cease to grow.
Anthony J. D'Angelo

Nothing great in the world has ever been accomplished without passion.
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.
James Joyce

Dispassionate objectivity is itself a passion, for the real and for the truth.
Abraham Maslow

Skill is the unified force of experience, intellect and passion in their operation.
John Ruskin

If you love your work, you'll be out there every day trying to do it the best you possibly can, and pretty soon everybody around will catch the passion from you - like a fever.
Sam Walton

We work in the dark - we do what we can - we give what we have. Our doubt is our passion and our passion is our task. The rest is the madness of art.
Henry James

Great dancers are not great because of their technique, they are great because of their passion.
Martha Graham

A taste for truth at any cost is a passion which spares nothing.
Albert Camus

The greatest gift is a passion for reading. It is cheap, it consoles, it distracts, it excites, it gives you knowledge of the world and experience of a wide kind. It is a moral illumination.
Elizabeth Hardwick

Passion is one great force that unleashes creativity, because if you're passionate about something, then you're more willing to take risks.
Yo-Yo Ma

[Dontaskme]

Just to be clear, the following quotes support one set of views of passion, the positive one. I am aware there is another different set. And I have experienced the negative - some people's form and focus of passion - quite a lot also.

Curiosity is, in great and generous minds, the first passion and the last.
William Samuel Johnson

Science is not only a disciple of reason but, also, one of romance and passion.
Stephen Hawking

Enjoy the journey and try to get better every day. And don't lose the passion and the love for what you do.
Nadia Comaneci

Develop a passion for learning. If you do, you will never cease to grow.
Anthony J. D'Angelo

Nothing great in the world has ever been accomplished without passion.
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.
James Joyce

Dispassionate objectivity is itself a passion, for the real and for the truth.
Abraham Maslow

Skill is the unified force of experience, intellect and passion in their operation.
John Ruskin

If you love your work, you'll be out there every day trying to do it the best you possibly can, and pretty soon everybody around will catch the passion from you - like a fever.
Sam Walton

We work in the dark - we do what we can - we give what we have. Our doubt is our passion and our passion is our task. The rest is the madness of art.
Henry James

Great dancers are not great because of their technique, they are great because of their passion.
Martha Graham

A taste for truth at any cost is a passion which spares nothing.
Albert Camus

The greatest gift is a passion for reading. It is cheap, it consoles, it distracts, it excites, it gives you knowledge of the world and experience of a wide kind. It is a moral illumination.
Elizabeth Hardwick

Passion is one great force that unleashes creativity, because if you're passionate about something, then you're more willing to take risks.
Yo-Yo Ma

These are just peoples addictions verbalised and then indoctrinated into other peoples minds as though they were informing them on how and what is the best way to feel and be.

They are totally meaningless unless one personally subscribes to them because they make them feel all fuzzy and warm inside then realise they become hopelessly dependent on them to feel good.


For those who had the common sense to realise they never asked to be born in the first place would probably not give such knowledge the time of day. Knowing full well they could or would rather just sit in a chair all day and every day for the rest of their life staring at a blank wall, seeing and speaking to no one, and still be happy and content doing so without a care in the world, because they that know they never asked to be born, already know they are dead, and are quite ok with being dead.

Passion is for life addicts. And not everyone who is born is a life addict no matter how much someone else’s passionate ideas try to convince them otherwise.

[Iwannaplato]

These are just peoples addictions verbalised and then indoctrinated into other peoples minds as though they were informing them on how and what is the best way to feel and be.

They are totally meaningless unless one personally subscribes to them because they make them feel all fuzzy and warm inside then realise they become hopelessly dependent on them to feel good.

For those who had the common sense to realise they never asked to be born in the first place would probably not give such knowledge the time of day. Knowing full well they could or would rather just sit in a chair all day and every day for the rest of their life staring at a blank wall, seeing and speaking to no one, and still be happy and content doing so without a care in the world, because they that know they never asked to be born, already know they are dead, and are quite ok with being dead.

Passion is for life addicts. And not everyone who is born is a life addict no matter how much someone else’s passionate ideas try to convince them otherwise.

If you would rather

just sit in a chair all day and every day for the rest of their life staring at a blank wall, seeing and speaking to no one, and still be happy and content doing so without a care in the world,

by all means do it. It's not clear to me why you are not. I certainly have nothing against you doing that. I never quite understood what seemed to be your passion for grammar. Nor have I understood your posts enough to understand your positions on things. But you seem to have both strong feelings and strong beliefs.

passionate
/ˈpaʃ(ə)nət/
adjective: passionate
- having, showing, or caused by strong feelings or beliefs.

[Dontaskme]

These are just peoples addictions verbalised and then indoctrinated into other peoples minds as though they were informing them on how and what is the best way to feel and be.

They are totally meaningless unless one personally subscribes to them because they make them feel all fuzzy and warm inside then realise they become hopelessly dependent on them to feel good.

For those who had the common sense to realise they never asked to be born in the first place would probably not give such knowledge the time of day. Knowing full well they could or would rather just sit in a chair all day and every day for the rest of their life staring at a blank wall, seeing and speaking to no one, and still be happy and content doing so without a care in the world, because they that know they never asked to be born, already know they are dead, and are quite ok with being dead.

Passion is for life addicts. And not everyone who is born is a life addict no matter how much someone else’s passionate ideas try to convince them otherwise.

If you would rather

just sit in a chair all day and every day for the rest of their life staring at a blank wall, seeing and speaking to no one, and still be happy and content doing so without a care in the world,

by all means do it. It's not clear to me why you are not. I certainly have nothing against you doing that. I never quite understood what seemed to be your passion for grammar. Nor have I understood your posts enough to understand your positions on things. But you seem to have both strong feelings and strong beliefs.

passionate
/ˈpaʃ(ə)nət/
adjective: passionate
- having, showing, or caused by strong feelings or beliefs.

Only within the dream am is anyone passionate.

In reality, nothing ever happened in a dream.

[Iwannaplato]

Only within the dream am is anyone passionate.
In reality, nothing ever happened in a dream.

Well, if so, then there's no reason to hold back.

[Dontaskme]

Only within the dream am is anyone passionate.
In reality, nothing ever happened in a dream.

Well, if so, then there's no reason to hold back.

No one ever held back from anything.

No more than birth and death could ever prevent itself from not happening….

[Age]

But the Universe did need human beings, or some other Truly intelligent species, to be born, for a particular reason.

Err, no, the universe needs human beings like an ocean needs water. So no, there is no need for human beings.

Just as the universe had no need for dinosaurs to exist only to later on extinct.

The universe hasn't got a brain. Nor a mind.

Do you not what to find out why I said what I said and what I was referring to, exactly?

[FlashDangerpants]

But the Universe did need human beings, or some other Truly intelligent species, to be born, for a particular reason.

Err, no, the universe needs human beings like an ocean needs water. So no, there is no need for human beings.

Just as the universe had no need for dinosaurs to exist only to later on extinct.

The universe hasn't got a brain. Nor a mind.

Do you not what to find out why I said what I said and what I was referring to, exactly?

In the time when this was being written, nobody cared.

[Age]

Why guess what they may find when you do not even know what they say?

Because you asked me a question to which I didn't know the answer, but I didn't like to offer you nothing at all, so I offered you a guess. I'm sorry. In future when I don't know the answer to a question I will just say I don't know.

These Truly Honest answers have been and are what I am seeking out and looking for. So, that would be very much appreciated.

Also, if you do not know what they say, then why jump past irritating and guess they would find them maddening and frustrating?

Again, for the same reason as above.

But why maddening and frustrating, instead of just irritating? And, why not other feeling words.

But if someone was not fake in any way whatsoever at all, then this would imply that you could be absolutely sure about them.

Not necessarily, it might imply that they are a very convincing fake.

But if any one could be a very convincing fake, then this could imply that there is absolutely no one who any one could be sure of.

Also, why would any of you want to be fake in the first place?

And furthermore, if none of you are yet able to answer the question, Who am I? properly and accurately, then this means none of you know the real from the fake, in relation to who each and every one is exactly anyway.

And, vice-versa, if you can never be absolutely sure about sure about someone, then this implies that they are in fact being fake, in some way.

But implications are not proof of the presence of the things they imply.

But if you can not be sure, then you obviously do not have, nor have not yet recognised, the proof. And, if any one of you can be convincely fake, then you will never have proof, and then you could never be sure.

As can be clearly seen this just one very vicious cycle. That is anyway until you are able to answer the question, Who am I? accurately, then the proof of who is actually the real and true is seen, and thus also known. And only then can one be absolutely and Truly sure if and when there is "another" one who is just trying to fake.

[Age]

Well since no one has said it in relation to your quoted statement, then there is no reason to assume that there will be, an error of judgment.

Splendid. That's one less thing we need concern ourselves with then.

Is that 'those others' who find people who feel very strongly indeed about things like passion are irritating, for example?

Yes, I have taken it upon myself to speak on behalf of those who find passionate people irritating.

So, you have taken it upon yourself to speak on behalf of us who find those people who feel very strongly about things (or in other words those who are passionate people) irritating.

Which, when looked at this way you are just speaking on behalf of us who firm you irritating. Which some see as being a Truly weird thing to do.

Or, are you going to explain what the actual difference is between a person who feels very strongly indeed about some thing from one who is just passionate about the same thing, or some thing else?

If no, then why not?