roydop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:12 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:13 am
roydop wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:16 pm
Let's examine this.
If i am able to remain in the thought free state (without also engaging the senses, ei: watching a screen, reading a book, listening to music...) for long periods of time and you are able to remain in the same state for only a few seconds at a time, then i am experiencing the world from a perspective that you are not.
What?
If 'we' are experiencing the same state, which you just acknowledged we are, then OBVIOUSLY we ARE experiencing from the EXACT SAME perspective. 'you' are, therefore, NOT experiencing things from a perspective that I am not. 'you' just say you are experiencing the SAME state for longer periods than I do. (But, by the way, in thought free Awareness there is NO actual "time", so there is obviously NO "long periods of time" either). If 'you' have been in True (thought free) Awareness, then 'you' would already be Aware of this fact anyway.
roydop wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:16 pmThis is not a judgement call, it's just a logical evaluation.
Seems a rather ILLOGICAL evaluation, to me.
If you say we are in the same state but then say we are experiencing DIFFERENTLY, then, logically, this is CONTRADICTORY, and thus ILLOGICAL, well it is to 'me' anyway.
roydop wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:16 pm So when i describe the world i see from my perspective, you really have no frame of reference to say
anything about my description of the world, do you?
Before I answer that, I can ask 'you' clarifying questions, which is what I DID DO, to obtain further clarity about 'you' description of things. However, 'you' NOT clarifying things but instead guiding 'me' to read the words of some "other" person also will NOT give me a better 'frame of reference' about 'your' description of things, AT ALL.
Also, I can say some thing, if I so choose to, about HOW and WHY 'your' description of things IS WRONG.
I ALREADY KNOW HOW and WHY 'you' HAVE 'your' 'frame of reference', so I KNOW HOW and WHY you describe things the way you do, which obviously can NOT be disputed. But also just as OBVIOUS is the fact that 'your' description of things can be partly or completely WRONG.
By the way, because (thee) 'I' IS absolute Awareness, 'I' already have a PERFECTLY CLEAR and FULL 'frame of reference' of EVERY thing to say SOME THING about 'your' own very tiny, narrowed little, individual, and separate description of things.
You didn't respond to this: "
BTW, how long are you able to sit silently without thinking? An honest evaluation on this matter is paramount."
If thee Truth be KNOWN, I NEVER saw this question asked BEFORE. So, I OBVIOUSLY I could NOT have responded to it BEFORE. However, IF you want to say or suggest that 'you' have posed this clarifying question to me previously, then WHERE and WHEN?
ALSO, I have ALREADY COINCIDENTALLY provided the ANSWER to this very question, in my writings PREVIOUSLY. On a few occasions I have already STATED that i have upwardly progressed to STOP thinking (or thought free Awareness) for about three to four seconds now.
roydop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:12 pmTo say that consciousness that can remain in/as thought free Awareness for a few seconds at a time is at the same "level" of a consciousness that is able to remain in/as thought free Awareness for an hour, is like saying that someone who can deadlift 50 kilograms once is as strong as someone who can carry 50 kgs up a hill, or that someone who can jump is on the same level as someone who can levitate.
Well 'you' have certainly MISSED what I have been saying here. Consciousness, Itself, is ALWAYS in a thought free state, as Consciousness, Itself, IS Awareness.
When there is a 'thought free state', occurring within one human body, then that 'i'/'person', in that body, is NOT existing, but Consciousness IS. 'thought free Awareness' is when Consciousness is Aware, without 'thought/you/person/i' interfering or distorting True Awareness, Itself. 'you', human beings, do NOT go into or become Consciousness, Itself, but what happens is Consciousness is just OBSERVING and SEEING things CRYSTAL CLEARLY, as It ALWAYS DOES anyway, without 'you', thoughts, "snowing" the picture.
'Consciousness' does NOT go into nor remain in/as 'thought free Awareness'. Consciousness IS 'Awareness without thought/thinking'.
Human consciousness, however, is a whole other thing. Human consciousness is so tiny and small in relation to Consciousness that it is hardly worth even mentioning, let alone talking about here, now.
Also, since 'you' have OBVIOUSLY misinterpreted AND misunderstood what I have been saying, to make it CLEAR, to you, I have NOT been saying that to remain in thought free Awareness for a few seconds is the at the same "level" as doing it for an hour. These are YOUR words. NOT mine.
What I was AND still am saying that IF some one can dead lift 50 kilograms AND some one can lift and carry 50 kilograms up a hill, then BOTH of them CAN lift 50 kilograms. The SAME applies with the other two about being off the ground AND thought free Awareness. CAN 'you' now SPOT and SEE the difference between what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING from what 'you' THINK or BELIEVE I have been saying?
As I continually say, in this forum, IF 'you' human beings STOP ASSUMING and BELIEVING things, then 'you' WILL START SEEING the actual Truth of things.
roydop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:12 pm roy dopson is not nearly as "Enlightened' as Ramana Maharshsi, who suggested once that one should remain in/as thought free Awareness for 7 years.
'I' suggest remaining in that Truly OPEN state ALWAYS, which 'I' have stated/suggested MANY times previously here in this forum. Does this make 'me' more Enlightened? Hell NO. This just means i have learned some things "others" have not.
But just because the True 'I', is allowed to speak the CRYSTAL CLEAR Truth, through ALL human beings at differing times, and is some times HEARD and UNDERSTOOD this does NOT mean, and I will repeat, does NOT mean that human beings like the one called "roy dopson", "raman maharshi", "age", nor ANY other of the billions of 'you' that exist are necessarily more or less enlightened than "another" IS. 'you' ALL have come from and through ABSOLUTE and TRUE 'thought free Awareness', SO the ability to be Truly OPEN again remains with ALL of 'you' EQUALLY and ALWAYS. And the ability to BE and REMAIN Truly OPEN ALWAYS so that thee absolute Truth of things can be SEEN ad UNDERSTOOD also remains forever more.
Absolutely EVERY one has had a DIFFERENT upbringing so OBVIOUSLY EVERY one of 'you' LOOKS AT and SEES things differently. IF any one of 'you' SEES and UNDERSTANDS things in a more, so called, "enlightened" way, then that is NOT because one of 'you' is more enlightened than "another" is, this just MEANS that 'you' have been brought up DIFFERENTLY, naturally.
The Universe evolves to become conscious of thee True Self. Who AND what 'you' are, and thinks, is of NO real importance. What is Truly important here is what thee 'I', thy True Self, SEES and KNOWS.
When any one of 'you' REMAINS Truly OPEN, then
what IS actually True, Right, AND Correct can be and WILL BE SEEN and UNDERSTOOD, very simply, very easily, and almost instantaneously. Until then, each one of 'you', adult human beings, will keep 'trying to' express what 'you' each BELIEVE and THINK is true, right, and correct in Life.
roydop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:12 pmEven the way you write is nonsensical.
Just saying some thing like this without ANY EXAMPLES does NOT say ANY THING AT ALL REALLY.
WHY do you NOT provide some examples so that 'we' can at least SEE them, LOOK AT them, AND DISCUSS them?
Then we can SEE if they really are nonsensical or NOT.
Obviously some of what 'I' write would appear to be VERY nonsensical to some one like 'you'. But this is the BEAUTY of what I write. I write to make it appear one way, but what I am actually saying AND expressing might be very, very different indeed. 'you' WILL NEVER KNOW, until 'you' DO. I do this to provide EVIDENCE of just how much 'you' little human beings ARE STUCK in your own making. 'you' are BEING CONTROLLED by your OWN DISTORTIONS and OWN BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS, and so are NOT able to SEE things as CRYSTAL CLEAR as I can. 'you' are SO STUCK that 'you' literally can NOT, at the moment, unstuck yourselves from IT.
Remember just ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing I say and claim here I can back up and support FULLY and WHOLLY. Whereas, most of what 'you', human beings, claim here can be SHOWN very easily and very simply to just be simply WRONG and/or FALSE.
Also, REMEMBER I am the only one here who LOVES to be challenged AND questioned on absolutely EVERY thing I say and write here. Whereas, ALL of 'you', human beings, HATE being challenged AND questioned on what 'you' say and write here. This can be EVIDENCED throughout ALL of my discussions here in this forum.
roydop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:12 pmUntil you are able to rest effortlessly in/as thought free Awareness for, oh let's say 10 minutes, I'm done talking to you.
LOL am I supposed to care?
IF 'you' do NOT talk to 'I', then care factor is at absolute ZERO.
Also, what would I have to do to get 'you' to talk to 'me' again? Just say to you, "Ah okay I have done it for 10 minutes and 12 seconds now". So, then would you come and talk to me again?
Also, IF 'you' were Truly Honest and OPEN, then would SEE and UNDERSTAND how it would be, ESPECIALLY for some one like 'you', that 'you' could NOT be in 'thought free Awareness' for as long as 'you' would like to BELIEVE 'you' can be or are.
By the way, would 'you' like to start explaining what 'consciousness' IS exactly and HOW 'it' could moved into and remain in/as thought free Awareness?
Until then, do 'you' REALLY KNOW that much about what it is that 'you' are essentially really just 'trying to' express here?
Oh I nearly forgot, WHY is an honest evaluation on the question;
How long are you able to sit silently without thinking? PARAMOUNT?
WHAT IS actually so PARAMOUNT and IMPORTANT here?
And, WHEN exactly are 'you', "roydop", going to give an Honest evaluation about,
How long 'you' able to sit silently without thinking?