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No one makes the decision to get out of the way of truck, the decision is an automatic reflex that is lifes intelligence.

There is no one to stop and think about getting out of the way, else it maybe curtains if that was true, thankfully, it is not.

Awareness is the key, forgetfulness is just no ones fault anyway, so all is well.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:03 am No one makes the decision to get out of the way of truck, the decision is an automatic reflex that is lifes intelligence.

There is no one to stop and think about getting out of the way, else it maybe curtains if that was true, thankfully, it is not.

Awareness is the key, forgetfulness is just no one fault anyway, so all is well.

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Except for the “fight or flight” response where people freeze up under adrenal dump.

Which is why we have to TEACH soldiers to be immune to it. Because most do not possess such instinct!

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:49 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:21 pm I don't see that DontAskMe's idea implies nihilism. What I can take from DAM is that if all were known by some subject then there would be no duality. Non-Duality is what I'd call "no relativity". No relativity is eternity. No Known language can describe eternity as all known languages depend upon relativity.

Eternity implies infinity. Infinities don't exist. Not in this universe. Even time is finite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_deat ... e_universe

And so any non-dualistic, subjective reference frame necessarily exists outside of the time dimension. You might as well call it God.

I agree, TimeSeeker, on both counts.

I guess that non- duality(or God) can be experienced only by mystics. I am not a mystic and the most I can understand of non-duality(or God, or eternity) is symbolic art works. All propositions in all languages are relativistic. Even regarding the language of mathematics all its propositions are relativistic withal analytically relativistic (deductive ) and not synthetically relativistic. My experience of mathematics is elementary , and I may be in error about the nature of mathematics.

The use of a concept of something that does not exist, such as personifications of gods, or eternity, angels, poetic tropes, and so on is that they enable us to conceive better some aspect of reality. Thus the concept of eternity shows our temporal reality more clearly.

I don't go as far in this direction as DontAskMe. I prefer to try to hold to both temporality and eternity in my mind and visit each when it suits me.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:23 am
I don't go as far in this direction as DontAskMe. I prefer to try to hold to both temporality and eternity in my mind and visit each when it suits me.

It's always wise to let go of the air when freefalling through infinite space.

There,here, you will not find any thing to cling onto.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:36 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:23 am
I don't go as far in this direction as DontAskMe. I prefer to try to hold to both temporality and eternity in my mind and visit each when it suits me.

It's always wise to let go of the air when freefalling through infinite space.

There,here, you will not find any thing to cling onto.

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And yet you cling to every breath.

TimeSeeker replied to DontAskMe:

And yet you cling to every breath.

And I bet a few other delicious things that pertain to this transient world!

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:38 am And yet you cling to every breath.

Well fortunately its not me breathing, god fobid, if it was, I might just forget to breathe. Luckily I don't have to worry about forgetting.

You don't have breath, you are being breathed.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:03 am Well fortunately its not me breathing, god fobid, if it was, I might just forget to breathe. Luckily I don't have to worry about forgetting.

You don't have breath, you are being breathed.

It would be terribly unfortunate if you were 'being breathed' while you are submerged underwater.

In fact, after about 60 seconds I am pretty sure you are fighting tooth and nail to AVOID breathing. While your body is trying to take a deep breath of water into your lungs.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:06 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:03 am Well fortunately its not me breathing, god fobid, if it was, I might just forget to breathe. Luckily I don't have to worry about forgetting.

You don't have breath, you are being breathed.

It would be terribly unfortunate if you were 'being breathed' while you are submerged underwater.

In fact, after about 60 seconds I am pretty sure you are fighting tooth and nail to AVOID breathing. While your body is trying to take a deep breath of water into your lungs.

It's not in the dna programme for a human body to breath under water, human bodies are not built like fish.



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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:01 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:00 am

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:56 am
A still mind facing an oncoming truck is going to be “free” very soon if it doesn’t DECIDE to get out of the way...

The fear of what cannot be known is an irrational fear until it is seen by auspicious seeing that no one ever died, so nothing to fear but fear itself.

You have never known death, its a concept. Life does not commit suicide, all dying is natural rebirth. Can't have one without the other.

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So you don’t give way to trucks when crossing the street?

“Intelligent Nature” has a way of removing such stupid from the gene pool

That which is breathing you ..giving to you, will also take from you. ..it a give and take kind of thing.

You don't have any choice in the matter..you are being breathed, and that which is breathing you will take it away from you, your choice to breathe and not breathe isn't there...its is an illusion, so is freewill....but that's another story for you to read up on...acquire knowledge of.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:11 am It's not in the dna programme for a human body to breath under water, human bodies are not built like fish.

But it is in the human DNA to INHALE and EXHALE. And so if you were to do it (autonomously) under water. We would call that 'drowning'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:11 am You don't have any choice in the matter..you are being breathed, and that which is breathing you will take it away from you, your choice to breathe and not breathe isn't there...its is an illusion, so is freewill....but that's another story for you to read up on...acquire knowledge of.

Bullshit

That is why you WILLINGLY STOP breathing. While you are underwater. To override nature's programming.

Prove me wrong and take a deep breath underwater.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:03 am

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:38 am And yet you cling to every breath.

Well fortunately its not me breathing, god fobid, if it was, I might just forget to breathe. Luckily I don't have to worry about forgetting.

You don't have breath, you are being breathed.

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Good reply . However what about voluntary decisions especially moral ones? For instance we are urged to eat less meat and dairy. This transient and insubstantial world engages our feelings and intentions in all sorts of ways.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:17 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:11 am It's not in the dna programme for a human body to breath under water, human bodies are not built like fish.

But it is in the human DNA to INHALE and EXHALE. And so if you were to do it (autonomously) under water. We would call that 'drowning'.

That is why you WILLINGLY STOP breathing. While you are underwater. To override nature's programming.

You're just saying the obvious..aka knowledge, any fool can know knowledge.

All I'm saying is that the human dna programme was not written by a human.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 am You're just saying the obvious..aka knowledge, any fool can know knowledge.

And you are denying the obvious.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 am All I'm saying is that the human dna programme was not written by a human.

Well, DUH! Any fool can tell that. Most DNA was not written by a human. Evolution tells that story.

But FREE WILL allows us to:
* Override the program (STOP breathing underwater)
* Understand the program (Human genome project)
* Engineer the program ( Gene therapy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering )

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 am
Good reply . However what about voluntary decisions especially moral ones? For instance we are urged to eat less meat and dairy. This transient and insubstantial world engages our feelings and intentions in all sorts of ways.

The body is not interested in food. It could and would still survive if it had to live on a diet of sawdust and glue if that's what it took to survive.



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