The Philosophy Discussion Forum

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:31 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:55 am

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:07 am
Yes, the issue is when people are no longer responsive to reason. Once that happens, there is only conflict. You cannot reason with the seriously religious - not by their very principles. So the public conversation is descending into shouting matches because there is nothing else once reason is abandoned.

It is ironic that the more fervent the religious, the further they stray from the tenets of their religions. Jesus mostly spoke about helping the poor, the oppressed, the rejected and bullied.

However religious neocons have aligned with the Pharisees - focused on bleeding hearts, guns, snowflakes, permission of hate speech, feminists, queers, rag-heads, welfare bludgers and abortionists. Like the Pharisees, they are certain of their moral high ground while actually operating antithetically to their supposed creed.

Meanwhile, the religious ones who are actually doing good are comparatively moderate and relaxed about the religion itself, being more passionate about people's wellbeing than politicking.

Ironic.

#WalkAway etc

Thank you for a demonstration of unreasonable responding.

Rather than acknowledging the points made, let alone addressing them, you obfuscate and try to shift the agenda.

It's okay to be more aligned with the Pharisees' approach than Jesus's - people hold all kinds of views. Still, you should admit that you see the story of Jesus as one about a bleeding heart leftist liberal troublemaker.

Your points were addressed to AS.
I didn’t want to trample her response.

I was merely offering you an opportunity to step away from theory and into reality for a moment, by reading straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, some reasons why folks are fleeing the Left in the US.

Many of those folks say they're walking away because of the Left’s hypocrisy.

Walker wrote:…
Trump is doing a fine job as president.
All indicators are up.
Honest folks are impressed.

Honest folks are idiots then as new administrations inherit what the previous adminstration left them as economic indicators lag. Although you didn't say what indicators you were using.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:52 pm [usual dishonest nonsense not worth repeating]

Apparently you have a complete inability to see or acknowledge anything beyond the extremes that serve you. It's all defined in ONE WAY for you... whatever it is. Can't be anything else but one, stupid, f****** way. And you don't see or care how f****** stupid that is.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:33 am

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:31 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:55 am
#WalkAway etc

Thank you for a demonstration of unreasonable responding.

Rather than acknowledging the points made, let alone addressing them, you obfuscate and try to shift the agenda.

It's okay to be more aligned with the Pharisees' approach than Jesus's - people hold all kinds of views. Still, you should admit that you see the story of Jesus as one about a bleeding heart leftist liberal troublemaker.

Your points were addressed to AS.
I didn’t want to trample her response.

I was merely offering you an opportunity to step away from theory and into reality for a moment, by reading straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, some reasons why folks are fleeing the Left in the US.

Many of those folks say they're walking away because of the Left’s hypocrisy.

All politics is hypocritical. The entire game is based on deception and hypocrisy is an essential political tool, one mastered to virtuoso standard by Trump.

There is currently a lash back against liberalism because liberals have essentially been blamed for the ills of progress while conservatives try to take claim - with their voiced amplified by dominant conservative media mouthpieces - for the positives. That is just another game, more deception via misrepresentation.

You can come here to play philosophy or to play politics. In the former one needs to try to stand back to take on the role of the judge while the latter play the one-sided roles of prosecutor and whip. We all have our sympathies but in philosophy one should at least make an attempt at being reasonable.

There is a constant push and pull between corporate and individual welfare in areas where they don't much intersect. Those who favour more controls of individuals are conservatives and those who favour more freedom for individuals are liberals. From that tussling comes the society we have at any given time as the pendulum swings one way and then another.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:18 pmAh yes, the challenge of the puny anterior cingulate gyrus and swollen right amygdala.

Somebody ought to market a cream or pill for that!

They're on the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyioZODhKbE

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:29 pmThis discussion is a waste of time. If you want to have productive conversations with people whos viewpoints differ from yours, which I seem to recall was the point, most of the poeople posting here are not the correct interlocutors.

Well, the point that some people are a waste of breath has already been made, but you can only work with the material that presents itself.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:29 pmWalker is a fool who is not capable, and the people being dragged this way and that by him are too brittle.

Walker is fairly typical; he just wants a bit of affirmation.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:41 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:18 pmAh yes, the challenge of the puny anterior cingulate gyrus and swollen right amygdala.

They're on the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyioZODhKbE

Interesting! Describes exactly what we see in these discussions.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:05 amWalker is fairly typical; he just wants a bit of affirmation.

It would nice now and then if the lights were on and comprehension was at home.

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:34 am There is a constant push and pull between corporate and individual welfare in areas where they don't much intersect. Those who favour more controls of individuals are conservatives and those who favour more freedom for individuals are liberals. From that tussling comes the society we have at any given time as the pendulum swings one way and then another.

"Those who favour more controls of individuals are conservatives ..."

No Greta. It's the opposite. Fewer regulations.

It's part of Trump's platform.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:32 am

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:52 pm [usual dishonest nonsense not worth repeating]

Apparently you have a complete inability to see or acknowledge anything beyond the extremes that serve you. It's all defined in ONE WAY for you... whatever it is. Can't be anything else but one, stupid, f****** way. And you don't see or care how f****** stupid that is.

I know that in discussion I convincingly present one side of a dualistic view.

You should try it sometime.

Your habit of telling people that they are presenting one side of a discussion doesn’t really say much, because you don't say much else.
I mean, I already know that.
So does everyone else you tell.

Your commentary that lacks sound reasoning or evidence pertinent to the topic doesn't say much, either.

You do state some unsupported opinions, though.
That's nice.
Participation trophy.

Shape up, firm up those postings!

Don't worry so much about what I, or others do.



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Here, I even did you the favour of research.

These insights are to be applied to oneself.
Don't worry so much about other people.

Intellectually-honest and intellectually-dishonest debate tactics
https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed ... te-tactics

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Yes, I see the irony of telling you.

But my God, the whining is incessant.

arising ...

Thank you for the inspection, inspectour.

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:34 amAll politics is hypocritical.

Bit harsh. I think some people are involved in politics for commendable reasons, even if, as Van Jones says in the clip, you don't agree with those reasons.

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:34 amThere is a constant push and pull between corporate and individual welfare in areas where they don't much intersect. Those who favour more controls of individuals are conservatives and those who favour more freedom for individuals are liberals.

Well, as Joseph Goebbels said: "Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will." Who on Earth thinks they are more free than some Americans?

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:34 amFrom that tussling comes the society we have at any given time as the pendulum swings one way and then another.

Economic conservatives, the people with all the money and intend to keep it that way, want to be free to control resources, exploit the workforce, use the infrastructure while avoiding tax. They want to have their cake, eat it and have someone else pay for it. The trick they have to pull off is to persuade other types of conservative that this is the same freedom as the freedom to believe batshit religious ideas, walk around with military hardware in your pocket or hate niggers and fags. It's basically a marketing exercise. At the moment, conservatives are doing well, because they are using well tried tactics: "All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself." A Hitler.

Walker wrote:...

But my God, the whining is incessant.

It is, there seems to be an endless stream of Obama this Hilary that and Liberals are communists on this forum.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:47 am I know that in discussion I convincingly present one side of a dualistic view.

Only in your own mind. That's why I (and others here) challenge you. You fail at the challenges. Your headstrong insistence is meaningless. The realm of broader truth is bigger than you. You should consider it in your perspective sometime. It's much more fascinating than the small-minded approach you take.

And yes, you do whine continually... blaming all kinds of people for one thing or another. I (and others) challenge you about that too. You fail at those challenges also. The only (demonstrated) value in interacting with you is to poke at you and see the green goo of desperate dishonesty that spurts out. It's a strange fascination from time to time.

Well, the OP video was an Obama pawn, and self-identified communist, trying to steal a Liberal cloak, and characterizing open-minded conservatism as closed-minded.

Seems like these topics you shun and call whining are rather relevant to the particular thread subject, although many prefer other topics, such as moi, who is not so much relevant.

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LW, that sounds quite noble and self-serving as a self-evaluaton ... try challenging the thread topic with more than feelings and insults, 'cause you're way out in the weeds.
I offered some tools.
Don't turn your nose up.