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commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:17 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 22, 2025 8:24 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:39 pm

It is something unless it’s something else. Or iow unless it snot.

So, even this you can not get, right?

You can get it if you try hard enough.

So, once more, they were not able to just answer and clarify.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 1:19 pm

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 12:49 pm Can you, exactly, describe whats right and whats wrong with the conflict in palestisrael?

Are you, here, asking, 'what is right', and, 'what is wrong', with the conflict in what you call "plaestisrael'?

If yes, then what is 'wrong' with every human being conflict, to me, in every part of the earth is that they are not necessary, and all prolonged disagreements and incompatibilities among human beings, or within a human being only helps in causing and creating confusion, harm, damage, and/or disharmony.

At the moment, to me, there is nothing 'right' with conflicts, anywhere.

I wish you did use that kind of language more in your posts.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 6:12 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 1:19 pm

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 12:49 pm Can you, exactly, describe whats right and whats wrong with the conflict in palestisrael?

Are you, here, asking, 'what is right', and, 'what is wrong', with the conflict in what you call "plaestisrael'?

If yes, then what is 'wrong' with every human being conflict, to me, in every part of the earth is that they are not necessary, and all prolonged disagreements and incompatibilities among human beings, or within a human being only helps in causing and creating confusion, harm, damage, and/or disharmony.

At the moment, to me, there is nothing 'right' with conflicts, anywhere.

I wish you did use that kind of language more in your posts.

1. What 'kind of language' are you talking about and referring to, exactly?

2. Why do you wish I used that 'kind of language', more?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:23 am

The 'goal of Life' is to just live, and be alive. Which is just Existence existing, eternally, HERE, and, NOW.

And, the Truth is there is no actual 'death'. There is only the, eternal, One, which is just continually changing in shape, and in form. As can be proved by the witnessing of 'matter', itself, just always changing in shape, and in form.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:50 am
In theory yes, but in reality no, reality doesn’t demand a theory.

Age wrote:
What are you saying, 'no', to, exactly?

I'm saying 'no' to theories. Which are not actual reality. Rather, a theory is a mental construction, a representational model, not actual, as actual presentation, which is without a theory about it.

Fairy wrote:
Theory is unique to human mentation, it’s an artificial construction, in fact every concept known is a knowledge made out of literally nothing, only appearing to be something as believed.

Age wrote:
What do you mean by, 'made out of literally nothing'?

Does not knowledge come out of 'things', and not out of 'no thing'?

I do not think knowledge comes out of 'things' no. Things are knowledge as they are conceptually known. Things are thoughts, so the question is where do thoughts come from? They cannot come from a thought thing, because things are not conscious.

Fairy wrote:
Knowledge is an artificial intelligence. Only death is real, everything is dying to live, and living to die. Death is the ultimate understanding that there’s absolutely nothing to understand.

Age wrote:
But 'what', supposedly, 'dies', exactly?

Obviously the one and only, eternal, One could not 'die'

Death is known as the concept is known, same goes for living, living is known as the concept is known. These knowns are concepts, not actual events that happen, because concepts have no consciousness to know anything.

Fairy wrote:
To a human being, only death follows you around, not life.

Age wrote:
The human 'body' is made out of 'matter', and matter only changes in shape and/or form. Matter can not, and does not, 'die'.

And, the human 'being' is invisible, so 'what', and 'how' could 'it', actually 'die', exactly?

Die as in disappear. Maybe disappear is a better concept to use for dying. If like you say matter is only changing form then there is a disappearing from one particular form, to a completely changed different form. From a baby to a child to an adult for example. Changing forms, the baby dies to make way for the child form, then the child form dies to make way for the adult form.

Fairy wrote:
For all living things that KNOW they live, only death awaits them, not life.

Age wrote:
What do 'you' mean by 'death', exactly?

Disappearance.

Fairy wrote:

Only the unknowing can say there’s no such thing as death. Humans cannot be the unknowing because the human mind functions to know things.

Age wrote:
But, there is no such thing as a 'human mind'.

The human mind is a known concept of the mind. So the human mind is simply an aspect of the mind here.

Fairy wrote:
For the human mind that wants to know…There’s no living without dying. If there’s no dying, then there’s no living.

Age wrote:
you seem to have completely missed and/or misunderstood what I mean by 'death', 'dying', and/or 'die'. But, then again, you never considered seeking out any understanding nor clarification at all, here, and just said that 'I' was 'wrong'.

I know what you mean, you mean changing from one form to another.

Fairy wrote:
No thing knows it’s dead or alive.

Age wrote:
Only three sentences prior you said and wrote, '... living things that KNOW they live, ...'. But now you say and claim that 'no thing' knows it is alive'.

I meant only as the concept is known. The concept living and dying are known to the mind.

Fairy wrote:
Knowing is a false secondary reality upon the unknowable, when there’s attachment to thoughts, thoughts being things that are not actually anything at all, except illusions or mirages.

Age wrote:
Are the 'thoughts', which 'you' are relaying, here, also illusions or mirages?

Yes, all thoughts, yours mine, and every thought ever conceived are also illusions or mirages.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:23 am

The 'goal of Life' is to just live, and be alive. Which is just Existence existing, eternally, HERE, and, NOW.

And, the Truth is there is no actual 'death'. There is only the, eternal, One, which is just continually changing in shape, and in form. As can be proved by the witnessing of 'matter', itself, just always changing in shape, and in form.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:50 am
In theory yes, but in reality no, reality doesn’t demand a theory.

Age wrote:
What are you saying, 'no', to, exactly?

I'm saying 'no' to theories. Which are not actual reality. Rather, a theory is a mental construction, a representational model, not actual, as actual presentation, which is without a theory about it.

Was there some thing that you presumed was a 'theory' in what I said and wrote that you are saying, 'no', to, exactly?

For as far as I am concerned I said nor wrote any theory.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:
Theory is unique to human mentation, it’s an artificial construction, in fact every concept known is a knowledge made out of literally nothing, only appearing to be something as believed.

Age wrote:
What do you mean by, 'made out of literally nothing'?

Does not knowledge come out of 'things', and not out of 'no thing'?

I do not think knowledge comes out of 'things' no.

Okay. Do you say, 'no', to this theory of yours, here, as well?

Or, do you only say, 'no', when you perceive another has said or written a theory?

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm Things are knowledge as they are conceptually known. Things are thoughts, so the question is where do thoughts come from?

I would suggest that 'thoughts' are things, and not the other way around as you just proposed, here.

Also, I do not see the connection between, nor how, 'the question' follows on from your theory, belief, and claim, here.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm They cannot come from a thought thing, because things are not conscious.

Okay.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:
Knowledge is an artificial intelligence. Only death is real, everything is dying to live, and living to die. Death is the ultimate understanding that there’s absolutely nothing to understand.

Age wrote:
But 'what', supposedly, 'dies', exactly?

Obviously the one and only, eternal, One could not 'die'

Death is known as the concept is known, same goes for living, living is known as the concept is known. These knowns are concepts, not actual events that happen, because concepts have no consciousness to know anything.

Obviously, you missed or misunderstood the question I just asked, for clarity

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:
To a human being, only death follows you around, not life.

Age wrote:
The human 'body' is made out of 'matter', and matter only changes in shape and/or form. Matter can not, and does not, 'die'.

And, the human 'being' is invisible, so 'what', and 'how' could 'it', actually 'die', exactly?

Die as in disappear.

Okay. So, only after the shape or form of the human body has disappeared, which could take months or years after that human body has stopped breathing and stopped pumping blood dies thet human body then 'die', right?

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm Maybe disappear is a better concept to use for dying. If like you say matter is only changing form then there is a disappearing from one particular form, to a completely changed different form. From a baby to a child to an adult for example. Changing forms, the baby dies to make way for the child form, then the child form dies to make way for the adult form.

'This' is only if you 'look at' matter, only.

To me, the real person, or the real One, or true Being, are not (just) the matter/material.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:
For all living things that KNOW they live, only death awaits them, not life.

Age wrote:
What do 'you' mean by 'death', exactly?

Disappearance.

Is this why some say and claim the "jesus" is, still, alive because "jesus" still lives, and thus has not yet disappeared?

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:

Only the unknowing can say there’s no such thing as death. Humans cannot be the unknowing because the human mind functions to know things.

Age wrote:
But, there is no such thing as a 'human mind'.

The human mind is a known concept of the mind. So the human mind is simply an aspect of the mind here.

I am not going to ask you to even begin elaborating nor clarifying 'this', here.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:
For the human mind that wants to know…There’s no living without dying. If there’s no dying, then there’s no living.

Age wrote:
you seem to have completely missed and/or misunderstood what I mean by 'death', 'dying', and/or 'die'. But, then again, you never considered seeking out any understanding nor clarification at all, here, and just said that 'I' was 'wrong'.

I know what you mean, you mean changing from one form to another.

But I do not mean that at all.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:00 pm

Fairy wrote:
No thing knows it’s dead or alive.

Age wrote:
Only three sentences prior you said and wrote, '... living things that KNOW they live, ...'. But now you say and claim that 'no thing' knows it is alive'.

I meant only as the concept is known. The concept living and dying are known to the mind.

Fairy wrote:
Knowing is a false secondary reality upon the unknowable, when there’s attachment to thoughts, thoughts being things that are not actually anything at all, except illusions or mirages.

Age wrote:
Are the 'thoughts', which 'you' are relaying, here, also illusions or mirages?

Yes, all thoughts, yours mine, and every thought ever conceived are also illusions or mirages.

But there are no things such as 'your' thoughts nor 'your' minds, and thus is just because of who and what 'you' are, exactly?

Do you know who and what 'you' are, exactly?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pm
Was there some thing that you presumed was a 'theory' in what I said and wrote that you are saying, 'no', to, exactly?

You asked me what I was saying no to, which I replied saying no to 'theories'

I'm saying no to theory, theories change, but what you are doesn't change, which is pure awareness.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmFor as far as I am concerned I said nor wrote any theory.

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmOkay. Do you say, 'no', to this theory of yours, here, as well?

Or, do you only say, 'no', when you perceive another has said or written a theory?

Yes, I'm saying no to my theory as well. And any other theory that I'm reading.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmI would suggest that 'thoughts' are things, and not the other way around as you just proposed, here.

'Things are thoughts' is still a thought. But yes, if you prefer the other way round 'thoughts' are things, then that's fine by me.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmAlso, I do not see the connection between, nor how, 'the question' follows on from your theory, belief, and claim, here.

Okay, that response is also fine by me.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut 'what', supposedly, 'dies', exactly?

Obviously the one and only, eternal, One could not 'die'

Obviously the eternal cannot die.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmObviously, you missed or misunderstood the question I just asked, for clarity

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmOkay. So, only after the shape or form of the human body has disappeared, which could take months or years after that human body has stopped breathing and stopped pumping blood dies thet human body then 'die', right?

I actually mean the word DIE as in disappear, that's all I know of the word DIE

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pm'This' is only if you 'look at' matter, only.

To me, the real person, or the real One, or true Being, are not (just) the matter/material.

I totally agree with that.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmIs this why some say and claim the "jesus" is, still, alive because "jesus" still lives, and thus has not yet disappeared?

I think Jesus was both matter and spirit. The spirit doesn't die, only the matter. So yes, the spirit not the matter of Jesus never died and exists eternally.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut, there is no such thing as a 'human mind'.

Yes that's true, there is no such thing as a human mind except as an idea the one eternal mind happens to be identifying with, albeit illusory.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmI am not going to ask you to even begin elaborating nor clarifying 'this', here.

Okay. that's fine with me.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut I do not mean that at all.

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut there are no things such as 'your' thoughts nor 'your' minds, and thus is just because of who and what 'you' are, exactly?

I agree, your thoughts and my thoughts are just more thoughts that belong to no one.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmDo you know who and what 'you' are, exactly?

You are the awareness of thoughts, but not the thoughts, awareness exists always, whether there are thoughts present or not, awareness is unborn, whereas thoughts arise and fall, they appear and disappear, or, they are born and die.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pm
Was there some thing that you presumed was a 'theory' in what I said and wrote that you are saying, 'no', to, exactly?

You asked me what I was saying no to, which I replied saying no to 'theories'

I'm saying no to theory, theories change, but what you are doesn't change, which is pure awareness.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmFor as far as I am concerned I said nor wrote any theory.

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmOkay. Do you say, 'no', to this theory of yours, here, as well?

Or, do you only say, 'no', when you perceive another has said or written a theory?

Yes, I'm saying no to my theory as well. And any other theory that I'm reading.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmI would suggest that 'thoughts' are things, and not the other way around as you just proposed, here.

'Things are thoughts' is still a thought. But yes, if you prefer the other way round 'thoughts' are things, then that's fine by me.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmAlso, I do not see the connection between, nor how, 'the question' follows on from your theory, belief, and claim, here.

Okay, that response is also fine by me.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut 'what', supposedly, 'dies', exactly?

Obviously the one and only, eternal, One could not 'die'

Obviously the eternal cannot die.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmObviously, you missed or misunderstood the question I just asked, for clarity

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmOkay. So, only after the shape or form of the human body has disappeared, which could take months or years after that human body has stopped breathing and stopped pumping blood dies thet human body then 'die', right?

I actually mean the word DIE as in disappear, that's all I know of the word DIE

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pm'This' is only if you 'look at' matter, only.

To me, the real person, or the real One, or true Being, are not (just) the matter/material.

I totally agree with that.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmIs this why some say and claim the "jesus" is, still, alive because "jesus" still lives, and thus has not yet disappeared?

I think Jesus was both matter and spirit. The spirit doesn't die, only the matter.

But matter, itself, can not 'die', nor disappear. This is how and why the Universe, Itself, remains eternal, and always continually evolving, and change, in shape and/or in form.

Matter, which was in the shape and form of a human body that was known as "jesus christ", has not died, nor disappeared. Again, matter just changes in shape and/or form. So, 'that matter' known as "jesus", and every other formed human body, always remain, HERE, just in different shape or form. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes. Matter does not disappear nor go anywhere. Matter is just always remaining, HERE, changing in shape and form, always eternally, NOW.

Which is why "scientists" say, 'we', human bodies, are made up of stardust. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes. Human bodies do not 'die' and disappear, they just turn back into what they come from. Which is why "adam" is said to have come from, evolved from, earth, itself, (and "eve" coming from, or evolving from, "adam", itself, means and refers to all material things [shapes; forms; objects] evolve from, and return back to, where they came from. Which, in Reality, is just 'matter', itself, never going going anywhere and never disappearing, but always remaining, in the HERE and NOW.

So, the shape and form of a particular human body may well so-call 'disappear', but every human body, from conception, is always continually changing in shape and form, and so it could be said and argued that every human body is continually 'disappearing'.

As I have said before, the visible human 'body' although might appear to always be getting 'older', the invisible person, within, however, is always be-coming 'a/newer'. That is when people are open, and learning more, and/or anew.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:22 pm So yes, the spirit not the matter of Jesus never died and exists eternally.

Hopefully, 'you' have just seen and learned how the matter of every 'body' also does not actually 'die', as well, and also does exist eternally, too.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut, there is no such thing as a 'human mind'.

Yes that's true, there is no such thing as a human mind except as an idea the one eternal mind happens to be identifying with, albeit illusory.

But, the Mind, Itself, does not identify with 'that', which is illusory.

Please remember that what 'you' human beings 'think' does not necessarily align, at all, with what 'I', the Mind', 'know'.

'you', human beings, think, and/or believe, many things that are illusory, or untrue, but this never means that 'I', the Mind, Itself, does

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmI am not going to ask you to even begin elaborating nor clarifying 'this', here.

Okay. that's fine with me.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut I do not mean that at all.

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmBut there are no things such as 'your' thoughts nor 'your' minds, and thus is just because of who and what 'you' are, exactly?

I agree, your thoughts and my thoughts are just more thoughts that belong to no one.

LOL So, why even call those thoughts 'mine' or 'yours'?

If as you believe and claim, here, 'thoughts belong to no one', then saying, 'my' or 'your' thoughts is a contradiction in terms and are oxymorons. As I have expressed and pointed this out a few times already in this forum, previously.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:54 pmDo you know who and what 'you' are, exactly?

You are the awareness of thoughts, but not the thoughts, awareness exists always, whether there are thoughts present or not, awareness is unborn, whereas thoughts arise and fall, they appear and disappear, or, they are born and die.

'you' are closer, and 'you' have been continually getter closer, since 'we' first met. Which is great to see, and bear witness to.

And, at the rate 'you' are personally going very soon 'you' will 'catch up', and be HERE, with 'us'.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 4:36 pm pardon the interruption but, perpendicular phrases are usually right...

-Imp

Sorry Imp, but did you really mean Horizontal, or are you Chinese/Japanese and write Vertically?

“ Age wrote:
So, why even call those thoughts 'mine' or 'yours'?

If as you believe and claim, here, 'thoughts belong to no one', then saying, 'my' or 'your' thoughts is a contradiction in terms and are oxymorons. As I have expressed and pointed this out a few times already in this forum, previously.”
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Response:

Age, yes, Mind is seamlessly One
“Yours” and “My Mind” are just constructs, or projections of this one mind, appearing as the many. Many of One is obviously a contradiction in terms. But silence reveals the illusion of the many.

One Mind is all there is. I am not a thought or a thinker, I am aware of thought, not the thought.