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henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:48 am Refresh my memory: what are those ideas?

Does your memory suffer?

If you yourself are not clear on the values expressed through “the Christian vessel” now you know where you need to do research. Can I help by recommending some titles that have helped me?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:36 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:48 am Refresh my memory: what are those ideas?

Does your memory suffer?

Apparently.

If you yourself are not clear

just make with the ideas already.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:41 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:36 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:48 am Refresh my memory: what are those ideas?

Does your memory suffer?

Apparently.

(I added to my previous message.)

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:43 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:41 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:36 am
Does your memory suffer?

Apparently.

(I added to my previous message.)

So did I.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:41 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:36 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:48 am Refresh my memory: what are those ideas?

Does your memory suffer?

Apparently.

If you yourself are not clear

just make with the ideas already.

It is so basic. I won’t do it for you. But I will help you find good sources.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:45 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:41 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:36 am
Does your memory suffer?

Apparently.

If you yourself are not clear

just make with the ideas already.

It is so basic. I won’t do it. But I will help you find good sources.

Yeah, if it's so basic: just put 'em down. Don't worry about me: let's have it.

And when I say let's have it I mean them ideas.

I got my own sources and own ideas about Christianity (laid out at various places up-thread).

What I'd like to see are the ideas you value, the ones in that container.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:52 am And when I say let's have it I mean them ideas.

I got my own sources and own ideas about Christianity (laid out at various places up-thread).

What I'd like to see are the ideas you value, the ones in that container.

A reverential attitude toward the ‘higher domains’ as expressed in the Ordinary of the Mass.

A seriousness toward the full depth of life but essentially life as an existential problem that requires serious attention.

A reverence for the feminine and the female potential and a exhalation of the potential communion of man and woman in marriage. (Evident strongly through Maria as symbol).

The doctrines of the sacredness of the human person as person. Enabling the creation of or the amplification of or the discovery of personality.

Christian focus on education. For example the founding of the oldest European universities.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:47 am let's have it.

I have unusual distaste for people on forums who take that tone and attitude. I’ll gloss over it once.

I gave you a very short list off the top of my head.

Let's start here...

the Ordinary of the Mass

https://www.catholic-church.org/~dg/pub ... s/mass.htm

There's an awful lot of Christ in there. How do you separate Him out from the higher domains?

I have unusual distaste for people on forums who take that tone and attitude.

As do I for folks who talk a lot but actually say little.

But, here we are, you and me, makin' with sumthin' approaching conversation.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:28 am Let's start here...

the Ordinary of the Mass

https://www.catholic-church.org/~dg/pub ... s/mass.htm

There's an awful lot of Christ in there. How do you separate Him out from the higher domains?

By understanding that through the symbol of Christ an array of ideas is expressed. The ideas, if you choose to act upon them, if they touch you, are what is most important. You are the recipient and the principal actor.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:55 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:28 am Let's start here...

the Ordinary of the Mass

https://www.catholic-church.org/~dg/pub ... s/mass.htm

There's an awful lot of Christ in there. How do you separate Him out from the higher domains?

By understanding that through the symbol of Christ an array of ideas is expressed. The ideas, if you choose to act upon them, if they touch you, are what is most important. You are the recipient and the principal actor.

So, as you reckon it: Christ Himself is just the container of this array, not the source.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:58 am So, as you reckon it: Christ Himself is just the container of this array, not the source.

Christ is a symbol invested with a wide range of meaning.

Is your question What is the source of meaning? (Or meanin’ as the case may be).

I’s a wonderin’ if’n yu read this here part:

The ideas, if you choose to act upon them, if they touch you, are what is most important. You are the recipient and the principal actor.

Cn a body know what yu think of that thar statement?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:17 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:58 am So, as you reckon it: Christ Himself is just the container of this array, not the source.

Christ is a symbol invested with a wide range of meaning.

*Is your question What is the source of meaning? (Or meanin’ as the case may be).

*We'll get to that. Bear with me. With apologies to Isaiah, my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways.

Right now: I'm bound for bed. I'll take things up in the morning.