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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:13 pm
by Atla
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:08 am
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:50 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:45 pm
You really should go back and read. I've spelled out all the refutations there.

What you're pointing to is a simple absurdity of subjectivist language. That's the least of the refutations of moral subjectivism. There are plenty more.

Happy reading.
No, a word sophistry is not a refutation...
Read the rest of the thread. You'll get all the refutations you need.

Or are you afraid to? That would certainly explain why you haven't, so far. Maybe you don't want to know that moral subjectivism is absurd. Okay. You don't have to know.
"read something somewhere that will show I'm right" is another admission from an objectivist that he can't win any argument.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:22 pm
by Immanuel Can
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:08 am
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:50 am
No, a word sophistry is not a refutation...
Read the rest of the thread. You'll get all the refutations you need.

Or are you afraid to? That would certainly explain why you haven't, so far. Maybe you don't want to know that moral subjectivism is absurd. Okay. You don't have to know.
"read something somewhere that will show I'm right" is another admission from an objectivist that he can't win any argument.
Aha! 8) An admission. You haven't read what I said, obviously.

So you've found it convenient to tell yourself that my only critique of subjectivism is over the word "imperative," and that, other than that, moral subjectivism is just fine and dandy...and you're trying to keep yourself from finding out there's a whole bunch of even better reasons to know that moral subjectivism is irrational.

Okay. I can't beat the strategy of willfully keeping yourself ignorant of the right arguments. If that's what you want to do, you can.

Or you could find out the arguments I've already abundantly laid out, and deal with some of them, instead.

It's up to you.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:38 pm
by Dontaskme
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:54 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:42 pm ...one could not possibly know one exists if they were the only one existing.
I'm sorry...I can't be bothered with this sort of aimless prattle.

Carry on as you are.
Are you seriously this stupid... :o

Explain to me, how it is you think and believe that one solitary person alive on the planet could possibly know they exist? You said this remember?

You really do say the most absurd things don't you, and then when your absurdity is pointed out to you, you do your little usual trick, which is to run away from your own madness. Carry on, and keep calm, there is nowhere for you to hide.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:40 pm
by Immanuel Can
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:38 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:54 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:42 pm ...one could not possibly know one exists if they were the only one existing.
I'm sorry...I can't be bothered with this sort of aimless prattle.

Carry on as you are.
Are you seriously this stupid... :o

Explain to me, how it is you think and believe that one solitary person alive on the planet could possibly know they exist? You said this remember?

You really do say the most absurd things don't you, and then when your absurdity is pointed out to you, you do your little usual trick, which is to run away from your own madness. Carry on, and keep calm, there is nowhere for you to hide.
Pointless attempt at provocation.

Transparent. Not bothering.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:49 pm
by Dontaskme
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:40 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:38 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:54 pm
I'm sorry...I can't be bothered with this sort of aimless prattle.

Carry on as you are.
Are you seriously this stupid... :o

Explain to me, how it is you think and believe that one solitary person alive on the planet could possibly know they exist? You said this remember?

You really do say the most absurd things don't you, and then when your absurdity is pointed out to you, you do your little usual trick, which is to run away from your own madness. Carry on, and keep calm, there is nowhere for you to hide.
Pointless attempt at provocation.

Transparent. Not bothering.
No provocation, just a paranoid you, who chooses to see what isn't there.

I simply asked you to explain your deluded comment about how you believe a solitary single person living on this planet, can know they exist?

I've already explained why they cannot, but you dismissed it as aimless prattle, because you have a one sided argument when ever you converse with anyone on this forum, and I just happen to have come back to remind you, that's all you are, a one sided entity. Carry on, boxing with your own shadow, it's hilarious.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:00 pm
by Atla
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:22 pm Aha! 8) An admission. You haven't read what I said, obviously.

So you've found it convenient to tell yourself that my only critique of subjectivism is over the word "imperative,"
...
You've been on this forum for years, I've been on this forum for years, this thread has been around for years. You've written countless posts here mostly addressed to others, but we also already "debated" a few times here. Following all that, you say I must be thinking that the word "imperative" is your only attempt.

Yet another admission that you have nothing other than sophistry. Enough with the admissions already. We GET IT. :)

Of course you don't have anything else, you're an objectivist. Well duh

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:14 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:00 pm Of course you don't have anything else, you're an objectivist. Well duh
Tell us more anbout that expectation of "having something"...

Is it like pulling a rabbit out of a hat?
Two rabbits maybe?

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:48 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:14 pm
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:00 pm Of course you don't have anything else, you're an objectivist. Well duh
Tell us more anbout that expectation of "having something"...

Is it like pulling a rabbit out of a hat?
Two rabbits maybe?
Who is the 'us', you and IC? If you're his sidekick now then go on, show what he never can.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:51 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:48 pm
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:14 pm
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:00 pm Of course you don't have anything else, you're an objectivist. Well duh
Tell us more anbout that expectation of "having something"...

Is it like pulling a rabbit out of a hat?
Two rabbits maybe?
Who is the 'us', you and IC? If you're his sidekick now then go on, show what he never can.
Us - the idiots frequenting this forum.
Us - the idiots who are reading this post.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:57 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:51 pm
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:48 pm
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:14 pm
Tell us more anbout that expectation of "having something"...

Is it like pulling a rabbit out of a hat?
Two rabbits maybe?
Who is the 'us', you and IC? If you're his sidekick now then go on, show what he never can.
Us - the idiots frequenting this forum.
Us - the idiots who are reading this post.
But maybe most people who are reading topic X, know that what is being discussed is topic X. Unlike you who is completely lost.

Baad sidekick, bad

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:00 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:57 pm But maybe most people who are reading topic X, know that what is being discussed is topic X. Unlike you who is completely lost.

Baad sidekick, bad
Most non-idiots probably do know, but us (idiots) - we have no clue what you expect to come out of the magic hat.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:03 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:00 pm
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:57 pm But maybe most people who are reading topic X, know that what is being discussed is topic X. Unlike you who is completely lost.

Baad sidekick, bad
Most non-idiots probably do know, but us (idiots) - we have no clue what you expect to come out of the magic hat.
Indeed

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:09 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:03 pm
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:00 pm
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:57 pm But maybe most people who are reading topic X, know that what is being discussed is topic X. Unlike you who is completely lost.

Baad sidekick, bad
Most non-idiots probably do know, but us (idiots) - we have no clue what you expect to come out of the magic hat.
Indeed
So educate us, idiots. Oh, wise one.

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:12 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:09 pm
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:03 pm
Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:00 pm
Most non-idiots probably do know, but us (idiots) - we have no clue what you expect to come out of the magic hat.
Indeed
So educate us, idiots. Oh, wise one.
You'll have to ask someone who likes teaching idiots

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:15 pm
by Immanuel Can
Atla wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:00 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:22 pm Aha! 8) An admission. You haven't read what I said, obviously.

So you've found it convenient to tell yourself that my only critique of subjectivism is over the word "imperative,"
...
You've been...
Not relevant. You're still stalling, and not looking.