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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 7:10 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 5:57 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 5:55 pm
Look, you agreed when I asked you if you wanted me to define a path toward potential betterment. And after asking your permission to do so, I submitted my outline. These is no connection on any level between what I do or what I write here with whatever it is that you do or decide to do. And it is my opinion that you must observe all of the 10 points. But whether you do or not is not and cannot be any concern of mine.

I asked you to provide your outline. I said nothing about agreeing with it or taking it as Gospel.

That is exactly right. I will, however, provide what I think is a true and insightful conclusion in respect to you and forum participation.

You find ways to get attention and to make yourself and your self-declared sickness a topic of conversation. You must double-down on the insistence that your condition is hopeless, is a horrible misfortune, nothing can be done, because if you did genuinely accept it, and work to remedy what is possible in your circumstances, and did so, you could no longer play for sympathy and, naturally, continue to suck people into the whirlpool of pity that feeds the cycle.

You can’t let that go, it is a somewhat demented life-line.

Therefore (Alexis Jacobi intones in a resonant, thunderous voice ) I recommend that you do not pay any attention to my Ten Point Program! And you must, at the least on a daily if not hourly basis, worsen your condition. Meditate on life’s horrors! Feed on them! Keep on as you have been for years. The world is co-dependent and will feed you what you ask of it.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 8:25 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 7:10 pm You find ways to get attention and to make yourself and your self-declared sickness a topic of conversation. You must double-down on the insistence that your condition is hopeless, is a horrible misfortune, nothing can be done, because if you did genuinely accept it, and work to remedy what is possible in your circumstances, and did so, you could no longer play for sympathy and, naturally, continue to suck people into the whirlpool of pity that feeds the cycle.

You can’t let that go, it is a somewhat demented life-line.

It seems hopeless to me. I'm not seeing how my position isn't hopeless. I mean I don't see a way out.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 8:25 pm It seems hopeless to me. I'm not seeing how my position isn't hopeless. I mean I don't see a way out.

10) Say to yourself and to the world (i.e. to the Universe, to “God”, to what has given you life: “I do not like it, I do not understand it, but I accept exactly what I have been given”.

11) Keep your dick in your pants.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:04 pm Wait! My Muse laboured…and she delivered:

11) Keep your dick in your pants.

This of course has universal applicability!

phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:20 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2026 10:04 pm Wait! My Muse laboured…and she delivered:

11) Keep your dick in your pants.

This of course has universal applicability!

I thought you wanted him to feel better.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 1:37 am Morality is the self-interest of the organism for its own well-being and survival;

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:10 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 1:37 am Morality is the self-interest of the organism for its own well-being and survival;

So you think "moral" means "egocentric"? But egocentricity cannot be extended to society, because the interests of others notoriously can conflict with the needs of the individual. In fact, they're often opposites.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:56 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:10 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 1:37 am Morality is the self-interest of the organism for its own well-being and survival;

So you think "moral" means "egocentric"? But egocentricity cannot be extended to society, because the interests of others notoriously can conflict with the needs of the individual. In fact, they're often opposites.

Yes, this occurs, and these individuals end up in prison. You're talking about wildcards that refuse to live by the standards of society. These people are misfits who do not recognize that society is there for their protection, as well as everyone else. Societies, large or small, packs, gangs, function on one principle: we look after our own.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 3:11 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:56 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:10 am
So you think "moral" means "egocentric"? But egocentricity cannot be extended to society, because the interests of others notoriously can conflict with the needs of the individual. In fact, they're often opposites.

Yes, this occurs, and these individuals end up in prison. You're talking about wildcards that refuse to live by the standards of society. These people are misfits who do not recognize that society is there for their protection, as well as everyone else. Societies, large or small, packs, gangs, function on one principle: we look after our own.

Does "our own" mean the same thing for large societies as it does for a small group or "gang"?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 3:45 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 3:11 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:56 am

Yes, this occurs, and these individuals end up in prison. You're talking about wildcards that refuse to live by the standards of society. These people are misfits who do not recognize that society is there for their protection, as well as everyone else. Societies, large or small, packs, gangs, function on one principle: we look after our own.

Does "our own" mean the same thing for large societies as it does for a small group or "gang"?

YES! The proverbial group is the one you belong to.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:56 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:10 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 1:37 am Morality is the self-interest of the organism for its own well-being and survival;

So you think "moral" means "egocentric"? But egocentricity cannot be extended to society, because the interests of others notoriously can conflict with the needs of the individual. In fact, they're often opposites.

Yes, this occurs, and these individuals end up in prison.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 4:32 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:56 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:10 am
So you think "moral" means "egocentric"? But egocentricity cannot be extended to society, because the interests of others notoriously can conflict with the needs of the individual. In fact, they're often opposites.

Yes, this occurs, and these individuals end up in prison.

No, they usually don't.

There's nothing about seeking one's own interests that makes what you do guaranteed to be illegal...it may just be selfish. And selfishness isn't a crime. It's usually not punished at all. But it's still the opposite of the interests of others.