Re: The Myth of the Existential Crisis
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:04 am
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Take out the words 'space' and 'time' and I agree with you here. I would also love to see an argument against constant-change. Until one is given, then I would say ALL agree that 'Everything is in constant-change'.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:08 amI think one actual truth is that everything is in a constant state of motion as nothing is ever the same at any two points in space or timeAge wrote:
There is ONLY One actual Truth but there is at least as many perceived truths as there are old enough perceiving human beings
But if there is an actual Truth, then it would be One Truth, which ALL could agree with, and, if more than two are agreeing on the exact same thing, then there are more than two perspectives which are the EXACTLY same perspective. Therefore, there ARE two perspectives, from at least two different people, which are EXACTLY the SAME. So, there can be two perspectives, which are EXACTLY the SAME.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:08 am This is not the only actual truth I know as another is that no two perspectives are ever exactly the same so there is more than one truth
One actual Truth IS there are many actual Truths, which ALL could agree with. How many of them there are is NOT up to 'me' to decide, but obviously up to EVERY one to decide.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:08 am But from your perspective what is the one actual truth and how do you know there is only one ?
Yes they all could be just 'approximations' of the One actual Truth. But, as long as we KNOW there is One actual Truth, then the rest are just that 'approximations', or, in other words, just individual's views and perspectives.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:08 am And also could all of the perceived truths not simply be approximations of the one actual truth ?
Do NOT ever tell me 'what to do', and think or expect that I am going to do it. I, purposely, wrote a longer reply than I would have, last time, solely because you told me to; "Keep it short", last time.Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:00 amKeep it short retardAge wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:49 pm You supposedly will not read this from a "mentally ill fucktard" but you read all of the other posts of the "mentally ill fucktard" and which you have spend some time communicating with.
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And you KNOW this how?Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:02 amYes. It's a cesspool of insanity, all the retards that ended up being banned from other sites ended up here.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:08 am Is this REALLY what the purpose of this 'philosophy' forum is?
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If this is what you BELIEVE, then this MUST BE absolutely TRUE and RIGHT, correct?
Do you have a job?Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:50 amDo NOT ever tell me 'what to do', and think or expect that I am going to do it. I, purposely, wrote a longer reply than I would have, last time, solely because you told me to; "Keep it short", last time.Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:00 amKeep it short retardAge wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:49 pm You supposedly will not read this from a "mentally ill fucktard" but you read all of the other posts of the "mentally ill fucktard" and which you have spend some time communicating with.
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Also, if you had any actual insight, then you would realize that the MORE I give 'you', then the MORE 'you' have to do your, so called, "psychologically testing", me on.
And, Some find it Truly amazing that you will repeat and quote some of what I say, AND respond to that, although you made the claim that you will NOT read "the blathering from a "mentally ill fucktard", but anyway as clearly evidenced you will quote some of what I write and respond to it, but, as soon as when I write things asking you to clarify what you actually mean, provide evidence for what you say, and/or back up and support your claims with at least SOME thing, you leave ALL OF THAT out, and just make the absurd claim that you will not read what I write.
To be able to SEE straight through 'you' is like looking through crystal CLEAR air. 'You' are as transparent as empty space IS.
Do you REALLY 'expect' me to answer your clarifying question here, especially when you RARELY EVER answer mine?Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:32 amDo you have a job?Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:50 amDo NOT ever tell me 'what to do', and think or expect that I am going to do it. I, purposely, wrote a longer reply than I would have, last time, solely because you told me to; "Keep it short", last time.
Also, if you had any actual insight, then you would realize that the MORE I give 'you', then the MORE 'you' have to do your, so called, "psychologically testing", me on.
And, Some find it Truly amazing that you will repeat and quote some of what I say, AND respond to that, although you made the claim that you will NOT read "the blathering from a "mentally ill fucktard", but anyway as clearly evidenced you will quote some of what I write and respond to it, but, as soon as when I write things asking you to clarify what you actually mean, provide evidence for what you say, and/or back up and support your claims with at least SOME thing, you leave ALL OF THAT out, and just make the absurd claim that you will not read what I write.
To be able to SEE straight through 'you' is like looking through crystal CLEAR air. 'You' are as transparent as empty space IS.
You just spent another 10 minutes not answering.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:35 amDo you REALLY 'expect' me to answer your clarifying question here, especially when you RARELY EVER answer mine?Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:32 amDo you have a job?Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:50 am
Do NOT ever tell me 'what to do', and think or expect that I am going to do it. I, purposely, wrote a longer reply than I would have, last time, solely because you told me to; "Keep it short", last time.
Also, if you had any actual insight, then you would realize that the MORE I give 'you', then the MORE 'you' have to do your, so called, "psychologically testing", me on.
And, Some find it Truly amazing that you will repeat and quote some of what I say, AND respond to that, although you made the claim that you will NOT read "the blathering from a "mentally ill fucktard", but anyway as clearly evidenced you will quote some of what I write and respond to it, but, as soon as when I write things asking you to clarify what you actually mean, provide evidence for what you say, and/or back up and support your claims with at least SOME thing, you leave ALL OF THAT out, and just make the absurd claim that you will not read what I write.
To be able to SEE straight through 'you' is like looking through crystal CLEAR air. 'You' are as transparent as empty space IS.
Also, WHY do you appear to enjoy discussing with what you acknowledge and BELIEVE are the "mentally ill insanely idiot fucktards", like 'me'.
You appear to enjoy this so much that you are now wanting to get to KNOW 'me' EVEN MORE, and on a far more personal or deeper level.
Why do you ask this question? Would you be surprised if a, so called, "mentally ill insane fucktard" had a job, or because you are wondering how a "mentally ill fucktard" has the time to NOT "keep replies short" if they have a job, or is there some other reason WHY you want to know the answer to this question?
Considering this is a 'philosophy forum', which, despite your BELIEF, usually do center around the views ONLY of those who engage, what a human being does or does not DO actually usually has absolutely NO bearing NOR is of any interest nor concern in what the discussion is centered around. However, you seem to have a completely DIFFERENT view regarding what happens in discussions, in philosophy forums.
So, until you explain WHY you want to KNOW if 'I' have a 'job' or not I will NOT be answering this, once again, completely drifted off line of thinking.
As I said, I make my posts longer now because you told me to, "keep them short".Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:45 amYou just spent another 10 minutes not answering.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:35 amDo you REALLY 'expect' me to answer your clarifying question here, especially when you RARELY EVER answer mine?
Also, WHY do you appear to enjoy discussing with what you acknowledge and BELIEVE are the "mentally ill insanely idiot fucktards", like 'me'.
You appear to enjoy this so much that you are now wanting to get to KNOW 'me' EVEN MORE, and on a far more personal or deeper level.
Why do you ask this question? Would you be surprised if a, so called, "mentally ill insane fucktard" had a job, or because you are wondering how a "mentally ill fucktard" has the time to NOT "keep replies short" if they have a job, or is there some other reason WHY you want to know the answer to this question?
Considering this is a 'philosophy forum', which, despite your BELIEF, usually do center around the views ONLY of those who engage, what a human being does or does not DO actually usually has absolutely NO bearing NOR is of any interest nor concern in what the discussion is centered around. However, you seem to have a completely DIFFERENT view regarding what happens in discussions, in philosophy forums.
So, until you explain WHY you want to KNOW if 'I' have a 'job' or not I will NOT be answering this, once again, completely drifted off line of thinking.![]()
Two things here;
Okay, then how about PROVING IT, by NOT corresponding with me and NOR asking questions about what 'I' do. You can NOT even clarify WHY you ask such meaningless questions, so that implies that you have NO real reason nor purpose for doing so.
When thee actual Truth is discovered, then it will be KNOWN HOW ALL-OF-THIS is all of my fault.
The only knowing of what is consciousness is..is that it is a word, and also any attempt to describe consciousness would also be words.
It's made up of the same IT as in ''IT's'' raining.
It exists the same way a word exists.
it's a word.
It comes from the word.
No man, you are not listening to what I've said are you..I said the character ''dontaskme'' is known, and so that which is known cannot know anything....
But oh yes I did clarify that for you..I clearly stated that ALL knowing is known by the only there is which is CONSCIOUSNESS.
But why are you now saying this when it is obvious the character ''dontaskme'' knows nothing? why do you then assume the character could know the facts? here you are still assuming that it is the character that knows, when in fact I have repeatedly informed you that no character is NOT able to know anything. It's not a ''someone'' that knows - the ''someone'' is the KNOWN that cannot be known. Knowing is ONE...IT'S A VERB.
This is just banter, it's a communication of consciousness with itself.
Yes, but only conceived as and through the word, in this conception. Prior to which it is not known to exist.
I've already been over this with you several times explaining and answering and giving clarification to you, but if you are too dumb to see what has been said to you, then there is nothing I can do about that...and is why WE will both continue to go through the same old endless wash cycle, as though we are both trapped inside a washing machine and cannot get out...it seems that for you and I there is NO HOPE of our discussion ever coming out in the WASH.
Well of course, knower and known have to exist in the exact same instantaneous moment..that knowing is who you are, you are right here now...as this one knowing. This oneness is everywhere at once. ONCE means one, and one means everything and nothing simultaneously.
No thing at all can only exist in relation to every thing. This knowing Oneness does not require an explanation as to how it can be, for that would be like the contents of consciousness trying to explain consciousness...it's an absurd idea.
Because discussion involves language which is knowledge on repeat, which arises on demand when that knowledge is in flow, being shared within the knowing consciousness...it's just what appears to happen, it's no big deal.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:03 pmI thought this was SO OBVIOUS a fact that it just goes 'without saying', except of course the KNOWN, Knower can and does KNOW EVERY 'thing' anyway.
Why do you think and/or feel that 'you' would 'need' to keep telling 'us', or 'you', this same thing repeatedly, which I do NOT see how any one would even disagree with, let alone would 'try' to dispute and refute?
Yep, it's the only knowing there is, like I keep repeating to you.
Yep, that's right.
Yep, the questions keep arising and demanding clarification because that's just what happens, because it can.
Yep, the ''someone else'' is just a figment within the mind of consciousness, it's only ever self talking to itself. It can only communicate to itself as and through the conceptual word...which manifests as and through the human mind brain organism, the only instrument available.
If that is what is arising at the time, the energetic movement to want to express itself better with itself, aka others, then there is nothing wrong with that, but for this one here, from the perspective of the consciousness here, it has no desire to better express itself, for it has no such desire to do so, as it couldn't careless about such activity.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:03 pmAlso, just maybe I am hoping to engage with "another" in the hope of finding "another" who will question me in the same way I question them, and then together these two, so called, "sages" will discover a way to SHOW and REVEAL the underlying True message, which is within us ALL, and which is wanting to be SHARED among ALL.
Well good luck with that then, whatever floats your boat. I'm personally not interested in that desire, I'm just here talking to you for entertainment value only, something to do so to speak. It's kind of a fun thing to do to be honest. But I do not care about how what I write or post is perceived or reacted to, I'm just here to entertain myself only, even if that means I am negatively attacked for being misunderstood, it makes no difference to me, for I always know what I am talking about 100% of the time anyway...so I don't really care about what others think of me or what I write about.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:03 pmI am looking for those who think that they could be able to get me to contradict what I have previously said, by questioning and/or challenging me, like I do to them. Or, I am looking for those that think they can get me to NOT be able to soundly and valid explain my views in argument form, or get me to NOT be able to back up and support my views and claims.
Except that no one on this forum seems to be in harmony with you, so you can't be doing a good job of explaining what you seem to think needs explaining...but I do not care about that either.
Nope, colours are NOT seen.
Thats a bit confusing because if Reality is a phenomena then it must be a noun rather than a verbDontaskme wrote:
Reality is a VERB ... there is here only verb world that manifests as seeing and knowing ... two concepts that basically
means the same ONE mysterious NOT KNOWING known phenomena that is this immediate presence ... aka awareness
No. I do NOT think any such thing AT ALL.
Thats a bit confusing because if Reality is a phenomena then it must be a noun rather than a verbDontaskme wrote:
Reality is a VERB ... there is here only verb world that manifests as seeing and knowing ... two concepts that basically
means the same ONE mysterious NOT KNOWING known phenomena that is this immediate presence ... aka awareness