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Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:04 am Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:18 pm Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:18 pm Do you believe in classical truth-value?

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:18 pm Do you believe that moral assertions, such as 'homosexuality is morally wrong', have classical truth-value?

Put your money where your corrupt mouth is.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:04 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:36 am especially when it comes to the reality of other people

Heh, even you don't buy into the one-reality story You were almost good at pretending.

And you said you are a non-dualist so, not 1 reality. not 2 realities. You believe in at least 3 realities then

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:58 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:04 am

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:36 am especially when it comes to the reality of other people

Heh, even you don't buy into the one-reality story You were almost good at pretending.

And you said you are a non-dualist so, not 1 reality. not 2 realities. You believe in at least 3 realities then

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

I think I meant existence of other people and how they experience the world. Why would anyone believe in multiple objective realities when we can explain everything with one?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:00 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:58 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:04 am
Heh, even you don't buy into the one-reality story You were almost good at pretending.

And you said you are a non-dualist so, not 1 reality. not 2 realities. You believe in at least 3 realities then

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

I think I meant existence of other people and how they experience the world. Why would anyone believe in multiple objective realities when we can explain everything with one?

I don't know. Why do you call yourself a non-dualist and not a monist?

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:18 pm Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:09 pm

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:18 pm Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Skepdick has no ability to read for example 'A = A' and evaluate it in an abstract way, which would be the whole point.

In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: eval('a == a') # eval() for "evaluation"
Out[3]: False

In [4]: eval("'A' == 'А'") # eval() for "evaluation"
Out[4]: False

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:15 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:09 pm

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:18 pm Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Skepdick has no ability to read for example 'A = A' and evaluate it in an abstract way, which would be the whole point.

Tell me more, I want to know...

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: a == a
Out[3]: False

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:19 pm I'm no python coder, looks like you created some class which returns false after an equality. So a is equal to a.

In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: a == a
Out[3]: False

In [4]: A == A
Out[4]: True

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:21 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:19 pm I'm no python coder, looks like you created some class which returns false after an equality. So a is equal to a.

You appear to be confused. Is it equal or NOT equal?

Have another look...

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: a == a
Out[3]: False

In [4]: A == A
Out[4]: True

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:24 pm Dunno how it works, is A and A() the same thing?

In [5]: A == A()
Out[5]: False

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:25 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:24 pm Dunno how it works, is A and A() the same thing?

What do you mean by "same" ? If you mean Mathematically equal then ... lets just ask the computer.

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In [5]: A == A()
Out[5]: False

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:29 pm One could be the class you created and another could be just a variable? As I said I don't know python.

In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:
   
In [2]: type(A)
Out[2]: type

In [3]: type(A())
Out[3]: __main__.A

In [4]: type(x)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------    
NameError: name 'x' is not defined

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:31 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:29 pm One could be the class you created and another could be just a variable? As I said I don't know python.

A is a type of type type.
A() is an instance of type A.

Neither is a variable.

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:
   
In [2]: type(A)
Out[2]: type

In [3]: type(A())
Out[3]: __main__.A

In [4]: type(x)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------    
NameError: name 'x' is not defined

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:40 pm No idea about python. Would have to learn how how all this bullshit works where you can redefine any operator to do anything you want. Irrelevant to A = A outside python.