Is morality objective or subjective?

[Peter Holmes]

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

Okay, intellectual honesty time.

Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?
Do you believe in classical truth-value?
Do you believe that moral assertions, such as 'homosexuality is morally wrong', have classical truth-value?

Put your money where your corrupt mouth is.

[Skepdick]

Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Sorry, I can't parse your question. Of course I believe in identity.

The expression "A = A" is identical with itself; and the expression "A =/= not A" is also identical with itself.
They seem to be expressions in some formal language; but what do they mean?

Do you believe in classical truth-value?

I have no idea what that means.

Do you believe in 6+7?
Do you believe in Democracy?

Such weird questions.

Do you believe that moral assertions, such as 'homosexuality is morally wrong', have classical truth-value?

Put your money where your corrupt mouth is.

Sorry, I can't understand most of what you are saying. What do you mean by "morally wrong" ? What do you mean by "truth-value"?

Have you, perhaps confused formal logic for English?

[Atla]

especially when it comes to the reality of other people

Heh, even you don't buy into the one-reality story You were almost good at pretending.

And you said you are a non-dualist so, not 1 reality. not 2 realities. You believe in at least 3 realities then

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

I think I meant existence of other people and how they experience the world. Why would anyone believe in multiple objective realities when we can explain everything with one?

[Skepdick]

especially when it comes to the reality of other people

Heh, even you don't buy into the one-reality story You were almost good at pretending.

And you said you are a non-dualist so, not 1 reality. not 2 realities. You believe in at least 3 realities then

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

I think I meant existence of other people and how they experience the world. Why would anyone believe in multiple objective realities when we can explain everything with one?

I don't know. Why do you call yourself a non-dualist and not a monist?

[Atla]

Heh, even you don't buy into the one-reality story You were almost good at pretending.

And you said you are a non-dualist so, not 1 reality. not 2 realities. You believe in at least 3 realities then

Being intellectually honest about your beliefs is very conducive to reducing conflict...

I think I meant existence of other people and how they experience the world. Why would anyone believe in multiple objective realities when we can explain everything with one?

I don't know. Why do you call yourself a non-dualist and not a monist?

Because even monism as understood in Western philosophy typically contains hidden dualistic elements, which made Western philosophy incompetent for 2500 years. Nondualism is somewhat different.

[Atla]

Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Skepdick has no ability to read for example 'A = A' and evaluate it in an abstract way, which would be the whole point.

[Skepdick]

Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Skepdick has no ability to read for example 'A = A' and evaluate it in an abstract way, which would be the whole point.

Tell me more about abstract evaluation, I want to know...

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: eval('a == a') # eval() for "evaluation"
Out[3]: False

In [4]: eval("'A' == 'А'") # eval() for "evaluation"
Out[4]: False

[Atla]

Do you believe in classical identity: A = A, and A =/= not A, with no middle term?

Skepdick has no ability to read for example 'A = A' and evaluate it in an abstract way, which would be the whole point.

Tell me more, I want to know...

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: a == a
Out[3]: False

I'm no python coder, looks like you created some class which returns false after an equality. So a is equal to a.

[Skepdick]

I'm no python coder, looks like you created some class which returns false after an equality. So a is equal to a.

You appear to be confused. Is it equal or NOT equal?

Have another look...

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: a == a
Out[3]: False

In [4]: A == A
Out[4]: True

[Atla]

I'm no python coder, looks like you created some class which returns false after an equality. So a is equal to a.

You appear to be confused. Is it equal or NOT equal?

Have another look...

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:

In [2]: a = A()

In [3]: a == a
Out[3]: False

In [4]: A == A
Out[4]: True

Dunno how it works, is A and A() the same thing?

[Skepdick]

Dunno how it works, is A and A() the same thing?

What do you mean by "same" ? If you mean Mathematically equal then ... lets just ask the computer.

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In [5]: A == A()
Out[5]: False

[Atla]

Dunno how it works, is A and A() the same thing?

What do you mean by "same" ? If you mean Mathematically equal then ... lets just ask the computer.

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In [5]: A == A()
Out[5]: False

One could be the class you created and another could be just a variable? As I said I don't know python.

[Skepdick]

One could be the class you created and another could be just a variable? As I said I don't know python.

A is a type of type type.
A() is an instance of type A.

Neither is a variable.

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:
   
In [2]: type(A)
Out[2]: type

In [3]: type(A())
Out[3]: __main__.A

In [4]: type(x)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------    
NameError: name 'x' is not defined

[Atla]

One could be the class you created and another could be just a variable? As I said I don't know python.

A is a type of type type.
A() is an instance of type A.

Neither is a variable.

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In [1]: class A:
   ...:     def __eq__(self, other): return False
   ...:
   
In [2]: type(A)
Out[2]: type

In [3]: type(A())
Out[3]: __main__.A

In [4]: type(x)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------    
NameError: name 'x' is not defined

No idea about python. Would have to learn how all this bullshit works where you can redefine any operator to do anything you want. Irrelevant to A = A outside python.

[Skepdick]

No idea about python. Would have to learn how how all this bullshit works where you can redefine any operator to do anything you want. Irrelevant to A = A outside python.

Nothing to it. =(x,y) is just a binary function. It has no intensional meaning.

"A=A" as used in philosophy is a prescriptive not a descriptive statement.

It's defined to be tautologically true. It's not evaluated.