Free will, freedom from what?

[Fairy]

When you talk about ''eternity'' it's as though you have some knowledge of what 'eternity' means...

And when you talk about it, you seem to think you have no idea what it is, or what "you" and "me" mean, or that reality itself exists. So I guess we're doomed to perplex each other.

I digress, you do not have to explain anything you believe in IC, simply, whatever you believe is true for you, and that's all that matters. You do not owe anyone else an explanation for what is true and real for you. Good for you. Have a nice eternity.

[Fairy]

For me, eternity is now. If you disagree, then that's your belief that's true for you there, but it's my belief here. And I do not care if you disagree that eternity is now, because I do not have to explain what I know just as you do not have to explain what you know.


So I guess we're doomed to perplex each other. And quite frankly I do not give a damn, nor am I concerned that you are concerned for other people's beliefs.

[Immanuel Can]

When you talk about ''eternity'' it's as though you have some knowledge of what 'eternity' means...

And when you talk about it, you seem to think you have no idea what it is, or what "you" and "me" mean, or that reality itself exists. So I guess we're doomed to perplex each other.

Ok then, so be it...

Yeah, it will have to be. I'll just keep siding with reality, and you'll keep siding with...whatever it is you're siding with, I guess.

[Immanuel Can]

...whatever you believe is true for you, and that's all that matters...

Um...yeah...right. So if you don't believe in gravity, you'll flap your arms and fly.

[Fairy]

And when you talk about it, you seem to think you have no idea what it is, or what "you" and "me" mean, or that reality itself exists. So I guess we're doomed to perplex each other.

Ok then, so be it...

Yeah, it will have to be. I'll just keep siding with reality, and you'll keep siding with...whatever it is you're siding with, I guess.

Well I suppose we'll just both have to be on the side of reality we are on then. Maybe the sides are just different sides of the same one reality I guess.

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[Fairy]

...whatever you believe is true for you, and that's all that matters...

Um...yeah...right. So if you don't believe in gravity, you'll flap your arms and fly.

Well of course, gravity is a good thing in that it grounds you to the ground, better than to be flying around in boundless space like planets do.

[Immanuel Can]

Maybe the sides are just different sides of the same one reality I guess.

No, reality has truths. It also has falsehoods that people tell about it. Not every statement can be right at the same time. That's basic logic -- so basic that Aristotle spelled it out long ago, in the Law of Non-Contradiction.

If a person jumps off a very high building and hits pavement, she'll die or she won't. Reality will arbitrate that. But one thing we can know for sure, even in advance: she won't both die and live. That would be nonsense to suppose.

[Fairy]

Maybe the sides are just different sides of the same one reality I guess.

No, reality has truths. It also has falsehoods that people tell about it. Not every statement can be right at the same time. That's basic logic -- so basic that Aristotle spelled it out long ago, in the Law of Non-Contradiction.

If a person jumps off a very high building and hits pavement, she'll die or she won't. Reality will arbitrate that. But one thing we can know for sure, even in advance: she won't both die and live. That would be nonsense to suppose.

Is alive and dead truly of you, or a duality learned of your appearance?

I don't believe in death. I only know life, I cannot pretend to know anything else but life. I believe nothing exists except this present moment. I believe there is no you that is conscious, rather, consciousness is you.

You can believe whatever you want, I don't actually care nor am I concerned for whatever that is you believe. I simply believe what I want to believe here, what feels right and true and real for me as I directly experience reality.

[Fairy]

No, reality has truths.

No, reality does not have truths.

Only humans have truths, born of thought. Is thought truly of you, or a duality learned of your appearance?

[Immanuel Can]

Maybe the sides are just different sides of the same one reality I guess.

No, reality has truths. It also has falsehoods that people tell about it. Not every statement can be right at the same time. That's basic logic -- so basic that Aristotle spelled it out long ago, in the Law of Non-Contradiction.

If a person jumps off a very high building and hits pavement, she'll die or she won't. Reality will arbitrate that. But one thing we can know for sure, even in advance: she won't both die and live. That would be nonsense to suppose.

I don't believe in death.

Well, we'll see how that works out. "Believe" or not, reality always wins.

[Fairy]

Not every statement can be right at the same time. That's basic logic -- so basic that Aristotle spelled it out long ago, in the Law of Non-Contradiction.

Allowing beliefs rooted in illusion to be released and relinquished can be quite challenging, as solving, doing or figuring out - reinforces the fundamental illusion.

Look at the animals, it appears they waste no time pondering creation, nor do they seem to make inquiries to find out about their own bloodlines, or origins of existence. They experience life as a sensory activity, as it is to be experienced. Following their instincts and physical senses. their consciousness has evolved to play the game. To live day to day through their instincts. They did not evolve mental faculties to study the worlds mythology and origin. From out human perspective they live in a more simpler sense. Perhaps in a purer sense of existence. There is intelligence to this way of life.

Truly,. Nothing Exists Outside Of This Moment - Time Is An Illusion.

Reality always wins, you do not know reality, you are reality.

[Fairy]

Well, we'll see how that works out. "Believe" or not, reality always wins.

Yes, we'll see how your 'eternal life' for a 'someone' works out. ''Believe'' or not, reality always wins.

Reality is not happening to a 'someone'. You are reality.

[Immanuel Can]

Not every statement can be right at the same time. That's basic logic -- so basic that Aristotle spelled it out long ago, in the Law of Non-Contradiction.

Allowing beliefs rooted in illusion to be released and relinquished can be quite challenging, as solving, doing or figuring out - reinforces the fundamental illusion.

Yes, it can be sad to lose one's illusions and face reality. But adults and wise people do it. It's only children and fools who cannot. We all choose which of those we want to be. And the decisive thing will be whether or not we face reality.

[Fairy]

Not every statement can be right at the same time. That's basic logic -- so basic that Aristotle spelled it out long ago, in the Law of Non-Contradiction.

Allowing beliefs rooted in illusion to be released and relinquished can be quite challenging, as solving, doing or figuring out - reinforces the fundamental illusion.

Yes, it can be sad to lose one's illusions and face reality. But adults and wise people do it. It's only children and fools who cannot. We all choose which of those we want to be. And the decisive thing will be whether or not we face reality.

Reality is obscured by your our thoughts about it.

Reality is very simply and ordinary, it does not ponder or question it's own existence, nor does the animal. Have you forgotten your animal true nature.

From belief to clarity, you know nothing, nothing knows you. Did you honestly believe that there is a you lying as ash in that there casket. You have never known death. Dream on.

[Immanuel Can]

Reality is obscured by your our thoughts about it.

I'm very clear. But since we don't have a common commitment to reality, I don't think there's anything further we can discuss. We lack the common basis upon which to arbitrate answers.

So...