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Posted: **Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:07 pm**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm "dontaskme" LISTEN TO THIS, 'you' could NOT be MORE Wrong here, even if you wanted and tried to be.
See what I mean. Age denies he said what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And at the same time, you claim it is perfectly acceptable to breed more children, who may one day feel they need to end their life and do so by means of a suicide that has become known to them?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm ONCE AGAIN, 'you' could NOT be MORE Wrong here.
See what I mean. Age denies he said what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am So to you, it is the most stupid thing to stop breeding, and that is not the solution ...but killing yourself is a solution?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
LOL
LOL

'you' are SO TWISTED and DISTORTED. This is BECAUSE 'you' ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS are SO UTTERLY Wrong here.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Do you think this perfectly ok adult action that you endorse, would not be such a great idea after all as a solution and way out of their torment, since it may have a knock on effect and cause extreme distress to the children or grandchildren of these adults who do go on to commit suicide?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm ABSOLUTELY MOOT, as I have NEVER even thought such thing, let alone EVER suggested this absolutely ANYWHERE.

ONCE AGAIN, 'you' have MISSED the POINT, COMPLETELY.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Maybe, suicide is not the solution, maybe the adult should at least teach itself to know better, and stop and think about that action by realising the impact their actions would have on their children and other relations.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmAbsolutely NO one that I KNOW of has EVER thought NOR said, 'suicide is the solution'. And, for absolutely ANY one to think or believe that I have just PROVES, IRREFUTABLY, just how MUCH they have absolutely and totally MISSED, MISINTERPRETED, MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCONSTRUED, or MISTAKEN what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And are you aware that there has been reported a rise in the number of teens and children who are killing themselves.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm YES. And, with the MESS that IS INCREASING, from the way that 'you', adult human beings, MISBEHAVE, it is NO wonder that MORE and MORE children are KILLING "themselves".
But it's ok to kill yourself, because you said so, you said it was the solution to finding a way out of ones tormented life. You endorsed suicide if the idea of suicide is known is what one should persue as a way out of their tormented life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Is it also ok to teach children and teens that there is a known thing called suicide and that if you are ever feeling like you cannot bare to live anymore then they should kill themselves?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL

SEE how just ONE Wrong ASSUMPTION can and DOES LEAD one SO COMPLETELY ASTRAY.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am because that's what you have implied adults who cannot bare living anymore can do to escape their tormented life.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
LOL
LOL

I have NEVER, EVER, implied this AT ALL.

SEE what I mean by 'you' MISSING the POINT, and now-here, the MARK.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And do you think children get the idea about suicide existing by having direct experience of observing it to happen to their adult parent in realtime? and do you realise that you have personally endorsed adult suicide as being an ok thing to do.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm LOL
LOL
LOL

'you' have now gone OFF TRACK SO MUCH this is absolutely HILARIOUS.

But THANK YOU for PROVING what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING to be ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY True.

LOOK, 'you', OBVIOUSLY, did NOT want to LOOK AT the Fact that YOUR so-called SOLUTION was and IS NOT a REAL 'solution' AT ALL. And, the ONLY WAY that 'you' could Truly DETRACT here was by SAYING and CLAIMING that I have said some thing, which I OBVIOUSLY NEVER HAD, and just continue on with that VERY DISTORTED and DISTURBING WAY of thinking in the HOPE that 'you' could DEFLECT ENOUGH. But, VERY SADLY, for 'you' it is NOT working.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Also, if adults do kill themselves, then do you think it's a good idea to endorse the action, knowing that action could possibly hurt and harm the sensitive psychology of children or grandchildren that happen to be related to these suiciders?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm Are 'you' REALLY this NOT AWARE?

If 'you' adults were to ENDORSE suicide, then this NO possibility that this COULD hurt and harm children. OF COURSE ENDORSING such a thing as suicide WOULD cause hurt and harm to children.

REALLY "dontaskme" 'you' NEED to become MORE AWARE of just HOW MUCH 'your' BEHAVIORS and WORDS DO EFFECT children.
But you were the one who said it's ok to kill yourself if the concept was known as being a way out of a tormented life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am According to your belief Age, it is a stupid idea to stop breeding children, but it is ok for an adult to kill themselves, already knowing that action would impact a childs psyche by instilling the thought of suicide into them to maybe follow the same path as their adult cares did.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL 'your' ATTEMPT AT DEFLECTING by PLACING ABSOLUTE UNTRUTHS ONTO 'me' will NEVER work "dontaskme".

ABSOLUTELY ANY can go back through my writings and SEE, VERY CLEARLY, that I have NEVER even suggested what 'you' are 'trying to' SAY and CLAIM here.

Oh, and by the way, TELLING a species that they SHOULD 'STOP breeding' is a VERY, VERY, VERY STUPID idea.
So is telling a species they should kill themself.

See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

Everything said in this thread can clearly be re-read for absolute evidence that it was indeed said. Good luck untangling all the distortion, deflections, detracting, twisting and MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCONSTRUED, or MISTAKEN misinterpretations and both unintended and intended meanings.

I thought Age asked you why you don't realize there is a way out, suicide, which is not the same thing as suggesting you kill yourself. It could be asking you to notice that you don't kill yourself and perhaps why you don't. It could be asking how you do not know about this way out, which I would guess he thinks you would.

EDIT: The idea seemed to come up here...
Age:

How could an adult human being 'feel stuck' in Life when they obviously KNOW about suicide?

I can't see anything before that. And that is not suggesting one should and then he goes on later to say that he did not suggest one should commit suicide or it was a good idea. But maybe you have seen something from him where he does say that, I just can't see it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:13 pm**

that is quite enough. there will be no cyberbullying and we shan't ever rush anyone to take their own lives. rest assured, death will come soon enough, gentlemen, but for now we must 'live ourselves out', as the good saint max put it.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 am**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:52 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:50 am
'you', adults, did NOT even KNOW that 'you' were pests, so if children KNEW, or KNOW, then okay.

Also, I do NOT speak for ALL children as though ALL children think or KNOW the EXACT SAME things.

Some adults do not even know they are pests and so couldn't possibly know to teach their children that they are not pests.

OF COURSE.

This Fact was also what I wanted to PROVE and SHOW. So, thank you for VERIFYING this for me here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:52 pm I guess this means that some adults slip through the net of the claim that they are pests, because Age now says 'you', adults, did NOT even KNOW that 'you' were pests.

Which was EXACTLY like some adults did NOT KNOW that the earth was NOT flat, that the Universe was NOT geocentric, nor that the Universe did NOT begin and is NOT expanding.

Some people just learn and understand some things BEFORE "others" do, and this has been a NATURAL phenomena for about as long as people have been existing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:52 pm And so the children belonging to the parents that do not know they are a pest cannot be taught by their parent that they are not a pest, so these children would never grow into an adult that was a pest because they have never known they are a pest or that they could potentially become a pest, because their parent couldn't teach them that they were a pest because 'you', adults, did NOT even KNOW that 'you' were pests.

Besides this being just ridiculous are you under some sort of illusion that parents are the ONLY "teachers" of "their" "children?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:52 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:50 amThe 'world' would ALREADY be a MUCH BETTER PLACE, to live, if adults HAD PREVIOUSLY just taught children that adults are pests, and that children are NOT.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:08 am**

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:07 pm
EDIT: The idea seemed to come up here...
Age:
How could an adult human being 'feel stuck' in Life when they obviously KNOW about suicide?
I can't see anything before that. And that is not suggesting one should and then he goes on later to say that he did not suggest one should commit suicide or it was a good idea. But maybe you have seen something from him where he does say that, I just can't see it.

Thanks for saving me the effort to recover this quote written by Age.

How could an adult human being 'feel stuck' in Life when they obviously KNOW about suicide?

This quote implies a person who is feeling stuck in their life....obviously need not feel stuck in their life when they obviously know about suicide.

By saying that, Age is making the presumption...that adults obviously know about suicide. Age is saying 'How' could any adult human 'feel stuck' as if Age was implying there is a way out of 'feeling stuck'

Age is not telling people to kill themselves that is true. Age is suggesting that since adult humans obviously KNOW about suicide then HOW could these people who 'feel stuck' really 'feel stuck' because they obviously know about suicide.

Well, I'm not sure about this, I could be wrong, but that comment written by Age, to me, implies that we adult humans who obviously know about suicide don't ever need to 'feel stuck' because HOW could we possibly 'feel stuck' when we obviously know about suicide.

That to me, is reminding people that because they know about suicide, the option of suicide and it's meaning that we obviously know about, could perhaps mitigate their feelings of 'feeling stuck'...by means of a permanent solution through suicide when applied.

It's endorsing an idea that may or may not be acted on.
And very contrary to the other idea Age previously stated where it was condemned as very stupid, an idea I put forward about why we should maybe stop breeding more children into a world of pain and suffering.

My point is if we already know about pain and suffering, like we do suicide...then we can choose not to add more pain and suffering by making more sentient beings who will also be subjected to it.

It seems we have the solutions, but we ignore them maybe thinking that we can just make pain and suffering go away by wishing it away. But as we know, it never goes away, and we do not seem to have a problem with it, it's almost like we like it that way. As if we were addicted to a certain kind of sadness, like resigned to the end, always the end.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:28 am**

Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 am
Besides this being just ridiculous are you under some sort of illusion that parents are the ONLY "teachers" of "their" "children?

But you said children are not pests, and that only adults are pests. Therefore, children under the supervision of any adult, not just their biological relations are being supervised by pests.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:50 amThe 'world' would ALREADY be a MUCH BETTER PLACE, to live, if adults HAD PREVIOUSLY just taught children that adults are pests, and that children are NOT.

Adults were once children, who are not pests, but then somewhere along the aging process they suddenly became aware they are pests.
These same adults that became aware they are pests, are now teaching, supervising and guiding children toward their adulthood where they too will probably become a pest too, that is unless some of the adults didn't know they were a pest and couldn't have possibly passed on the 'pest' seed of thought to the child...meaning that some children grow up not knowing whether they are a pest or not, because they were brought up by adults that did not know they were pests either.

And to think that all this silly labelling mayhem was caused when mummy and daddy decided to give NAMELESS baby a NAME....

Spoiler Alert: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU.

Always be yourself, the real fictional character.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:23 am**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm "dontaskme" LISTEN TO THIS, 'you' could NOT be MORE Wrong here, even if you wanted and tried to be.
See what I mean. Age denies he said what he said.

BUT I NEVER SAID what you SAY I SAID. So, what you SAY and CLAIM here is JUST ABSURD.

LOL you could NOT prove that I said what you ASSUME I said, BECAUSE there is NOWHERE that I USED those words in the way you have here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And at the same time, you claim it is perfectly acceptable to breed more children, who may one day feel they need to end their life and do so by means of a suicide that has become known to them?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm ONCE AGAIN, 'you' could NOT be MORE Wrong here.
See what I mean. Age denies he said what he said.

LOL WHERE IS the PROOF that I HAVE ACTUALLY SAID what you are CLAIMING I have said?

Your INABILITY to provide absolutely ANY thing here WILL PROVE that I have NEVER said what you are CLAIMING I have here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am So to you, it is the most stupid thing to stop breeding, and that is not the solution ...but killing yourself is a solution?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
LOL
LOL

'you' are SO TWISTED and DISTORTED. This is BECAUSE 'you' ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS are SO UTTERLY Wrong here.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

False ACCUSATIONS will ONKY DALL BACK ON 'you'.

ESPECIALLY when they refer to words for ALL to LOK AT and SEE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Do you think this perfectly ok adult action that you endorse, would not be such a great idea after all as a solution and way out of their torment, since it may have a knock on effect and cause extreme distress to the children or grandchildren of these adults who do go on to commit suicide?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm ABSOLUTELY MOOT, as I have NEVER even thought such thing, let alone EVER suggested this absolutely ANYWHERE.

ONCE AGAIN, 'you' have MISSED the POINT, COMPLETELY.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Maybe, suicide is not the solution, maybe the adult should at least teach itself to know better, and stop and think about that action by realising the impact their actions would have on their children and other relations.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmAbsolutely NO one that I KNOW of has EVER thought NOR said, 'suicide is the solution'. And, for absolutely ANY one to think or believe that I have just PROVES, IRREFUTABLY, just how MUCH they have absolutely and totally MISSED, MISINTERPRETED, MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCONSTRUED, or MISTAKEN what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And are you aware that there has been reported a rise in the number of teens and children who are killing themselves.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm YES. And, with the MESS that IS INCREASING, from the way that 'you', adult human beings, MISBEHAVE, it is NO wonder that MORE and MORE children are KILLING "themselves".
But it's ok to kill yourself, because you said so,

I NEVER SAID this AT ALL.

As PROVEN IRREFUTABLY True from the ACTUAL WORDS that I have SAID and USED above here.

And your COMPLETE LACK OF ABILITY to FIND the words that you ASSUME I said and wrote PROVES me Right, ONCE AGAIN.

I REALLY do suggest that you GAIN CLARITY BEFORE you make these widely ABSURD and Wrong ASSUMPTIONS and CLAIMS AGAIN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm you said it was the solution to finding a way out of ones tormented life.

LOL you could NOT be MORE Wrong here.

AND, there is NOT a human being who backs up and supports your view and BELIEF here.

'you' are on your OWN here "dontaskme".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pmYou endorsed suicide if the idea of suicide is known is what one should persue as a way out of their tormented life.

LOL Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of just how ABSOLUTELY STUPID ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING can MAKE people.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Is it also ok to teach children and teens that there is a known thing called suicide and that if you are ever feeling like you cannot bare to live anymore then they should kill themselves?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL

SEE how just ONE Wrong ASSUMPTION can and DOES LEAD one SO COMPLETELY ASTRAY.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am because that's what you have implied adults who cannot bare living anymore can do to escape their tormented life.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
LOL
LOL

I have NEVER, EVER, implied this AT ALL.

SEE what I mean by 'you' MISSING the POINT, and now-here, the MARK.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And do you think children get the idea about suicide existing by having direct experience of observing it to happen to their adult parent in realtime? and do you realise that you have personally endorsed adult suicide as being an ok thing to do.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm LOL
LOL
LOL

'you' have now gone OFF TRACK SO MUCH this is absolutely HILARIOUS.

But THANK YOU for PROVING what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING to be ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY True.

LOOK, 'you', OBVIOUSLY, did NOT want to LOOK AT the Fact that YOUR so-called SOLUTION was and IS NOT a REAL 'solution' AT ALL. And, the ONLY WAY that 'you' could Truly DETRACT here was by SAYING and CLAIMING that I have said some thing, which I OBVIOUSLY NEVER HAD, and just continue on with that VERY DISTORTED and DISTURBING WAY of thinking in the HOPE that 'you' could DEFLECT ENOUGH. But, VERY SADLY, for 'you' it is NOT working.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

WHO do 'you' envision or IMAGINE 'you' are talking to here "dontaskme"?

There is NOT a human being who agrees with you here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Also, if adults do kill themselves, then do you think it's a good idea to endorse the action, knowing that action could possibly hurt and harm the sensitive psychology of children or grandchildren that happen to be related to these suiciders?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm Are 'you' REALLY this NOT AWARE?

If 'you' adults were to ENDORSE suicide, then this NO possibility that this COULD hurt and harm children. OF COURSE ENDORSING such a thing as suicide WOULD cause hurt and harm to children.

REALLY "dontaskme" 'you' NEED to become MORE AWARE of just HOW MUCH 'your' BEHAVIORS and WORDS DO EFFECT children.
But you were the one who said it's ok to kill yourself if the concept was known as being a way out of a tormented life.

LOL NO I NEVER.

As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED ABSOLUTELY True above.

Also, absolutely ANY one can just LOOK AT your words to SEE that you are still NOT SURE about the ACTUAL HARM and DAMAGE that IS PUT ON to or PLACED IN to children through suicide.

'you' REALLY DO have a LOT MORE to LEARN and UNDERSTAND here "dontaskme"

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am According to your belief Age, it is a stupid idea to stop breeding children, but it is ok for an adult to kill themselves, already knowing that action would impact a childs psyche by instilling the thought of suicide into them to maybe follow the same path as their adult cares did.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL 'your' ATTEMPT AT DEFLECTING by PLACING ABSOLUTE UNTRUTHS ONTO 'me' will NEVER work "dontaskme".

ABSOLUTELY ANY can go back through my writings and SEE, VERY CLEARLY, that I have NEVER even suggested what 'you' are 'trying to' SAY and CLAIM here.

Oh, and by the way, TELLING a species that they SHOULD 'STOP breeding' is a VERY, VERY, VERY STUPID idea.
So is telling a species they should kill themself.

Well WHO, LOL, told 'a species' that they SHOULD KIll "themselves"?

If 'you' think or BELIEVE 'me', then 'you' are MORE BLINDED by your OWN ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS than I first RECOGNIZED and OBSERVED

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

Everything said in this thread can clearly be re-read for absolute evidence that it was indeed said. Good luck untangling all the distortion, deflections, detracting, twisting and MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCONSTRUED, or MISTAKEN misinterpretations and both unintended and intended meanings.

But I have absolutely NO intention of UNTANGLING YOUR MESS here "dontaskme".

I will leave that up to those who are Truly Interested in finding out what thee ACTUAL Truth EXACTLY IS here.

I ALREADY KNOW what 'It' IS.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:58 am**

Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:23 am
I ALREADY KNOW what 'It' IS.

Every knower shares the same one I

I ALREADY KNOW what 'It' IS.

IT being the truth.

No need to entangle what's already straight known to IT.

No need to net i by entangling i...when i is already free from the entanglement that are words.

For the illusory conceptual character known as I there are only two jobs to do in this illusion, (dream of separation)
1 is to create a mess, and 2 is to clean up the mess.

Mess and no mess, maketh the conceptual dream.

To mess or not to mess that is the only question to all our answers.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:27 am**

Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:23 am But I have absolutely NO intention of UNTANGLING YOUR MESS here "dontaskme".

I as in the same I in everyone.

YOUR mess as in Y (our) mess.

The mess made with Y (our) words that I use, the same I that is every I

Don't pen a mess then. Pen is messy, wouldn't want TO try and clean up spilt contents of penis, once spilt, cannot be returned to sender.

And to think that all this mess what started when mummy and daddy decided to give nameless baby a NAME....

Please refrain from adding pen is paint to the blank canvas that is reality to avoid messing up blank.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:46 am**

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:07 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm "dontaskme" LISTEN TO THIS, 'you' could NOT be MORE Wrong here, even if you wanted and tried to be.
See what I mean. Age denies he said what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And at the same time, you claim it is perfectly acceptable to breed more children, who may one day feel they need to end their life and do so by means of a suicide that has become known to them?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm ONCE AGAIN, 'you' could NOT be MORE Wrong here.
See what I mean. Age denies he said what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am So to you, it is the most stupid thing to stop breeding, and that is not the solution ...but killing yourself is a solution?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
LOL
LOL

'you' are SO TWISTED and DISTORTED. This is BECAUSE 'you' ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS are SO UTTERLY Wrong here.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Do you think this perfectly ok adult action that you endorse, would not be such a great idea after all as a solution and way out of their torment, since it may have a knock on effect and cause extreme distress to the children or grandchildren of these adults who do go on to commit suicide?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm ABSOLUTELY MOOT, as I have NEVER even thought such thing, let alone EVER suggested this absolutely ANYWHERE.

ONCE AGAIN, 'you' have MISSED the POINT, COMPLETELY.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Maybe, suicide is not the solution, maybe the adult should at least teach itself to know better, and stop and think about that action by realising the impact their actions would have on their children and other relations.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmAbsolutely NO one that I KNOW of has EVER thought NOR said, 'suicide is the solution'. And, for absolutely ANY one to think or believe that I have just PROVES, IRREFUTABLY, just how MUCH they have absolutely and totally MISSED, MISINTERPRETED, MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCONSTRUED, or MISTAKEN what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And are you aware that there has been reported a rise in the number of teens and children who are killing themselves.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm YES. And, with the MESS that IS INCREASING, from the way that 'you', adult human beings, MISBEHAVE, it is NO wonder that MORE and MORE children are KILLING "themselves".
But it's ok to kill yourself, because you said so, you said it was the solution to finding a way out of ones tormented life. You endorsed suicide if the idea of suicide is known is what one should persue as a way out of their tormented life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Is it also ok to teach children and teens that there is a known thing called suicide and that if you are ever feeling like you cannot bare to live anymore then they should kill themselves?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL

SEE how just ONE Wrong ASSUMPTION can and DOES LEAD one SO COMPLETELY ASTRAY.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am because that's what you have implied adults who cannot bare living anymore can do to escape their tormented life.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
LOL
LOL

I have NEVER, EVER, implied this AT ALL.

SEE what I mean by 'you' MISSING the POINT, and now-here, the MARK.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am And do you think children get the idea about suicide existing by having direct experience of observing it to happen to their adult parent in realtime? and do you realise that you have personally endorsed adult suicide as being an ok thing to do.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm LOL
LOL
LOL

'you' have now gone OFF TRACK SO MUCH this is absolutely HILARIOUS.

But THANK YOU for PROVING what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING to be ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY True.

LOOK, 'you', OBVIOUSLY, did NOT want to LOOK AT the Fact that YOUR so-called SOLUTION was and IS NOT a REAL 'solution' AT ALL. And, the ONLY WAY that 'you' could Truly DETRACT here was by SAYING and CLAIMING that I have said some thing, which I OBVIOUSLY NEVER HAD, and just continue on with that VERY DISTORTED and DISTURBING WAY of thinking in the HOPE that 'you' could DEFLECT ENOUGH. But, VERY SADLY, for 'you' it is NOT working.
See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am Also, if adults do kill themselves, then do you think it's a good idea to endorse the action, knowing that action could possibly hurt and harm the sensitive psychology of children or grandchildren that happen to be related to these suiciders?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pm Are 'you' REALLY this NOT AWARE?

If 'you' adults were to ENDORSE suicide, then this NO possibility that this COULD hurt and harm children. OF COURSE ENDORSING such a thing as suicide WOULD cause hurt and harm to children.

REALLY "dontaskme" 'you' NEED to become MORE AWARE of just HOW MUCH 'your' BEHAVIORS and WORDS DO EFFECT children.
But you were the one who said it's ok to kill yourself if the concept was known as being a way out of a tormented life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:33 am According to your belief Age, it is a stupid idea to stop breeding children, but it is ok for an adult to kill themselves, already knowing that action would impact a childs psyche by instilling the thought of suicide into them to maybe follow the same path as their adult cares did.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:12 pmLOL 'your' ATTEMPT AT DEFLECTING by PLACING ABSOLUTE UNTRUTHS ONTO 'me' will NEVER work "dontaskme".

ABSOLUTELY ANY can go back through my writings and SEE, VERY CLEARLY, that I have NEVER even suggested what 'you' are 'trying to' SAY and CLAIM here.

Oh, and by the way, TELLING a species that they SHOULD 'STOP breeding' is a VERY, VERY, VERY STUPID idea.
So is telling a species they should kill themself.

See what I mean. Age denies saying what he said.

Everything said in this thread can clearly be re-read for absolute evidence that it was indeed said. Good luck untangling all the distortion, deflections, detracting, twisting and MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCONSTRUED, or MISTAKEN misinterpretations and both unintended and intended meanings.
I thought Age asked you why you don't realize there is a way out, suicide, which is not the same thing as suggesting you kill yourself.

Now, this is much closer than "dontaskme" ever was.

I was just asking, How could one 'feel stuck' in LIfe, when they KNOW of a 'way out'. And you are right, there is absolutely NO suggestion AT ALL of doing absolutely ANY thing here, INCLUDING the killing of "one's" 'self'.

What I am asking would be like asking how could one 'feel stuck' in a cave or tunnel, when they KNOW of a 'way out'? Again, this is NEVER suggesting to do absolutely ANY thing, AT ALL, to 'get out of' whatever position/place they are in. For example, one may REMAIN in that cave or tunnel (or in Life, Itself, for that matter), but as long as they KNOW of a 'way out', then, to me, I am still wondering, HOW could that one STILL 'feel stuck'?

If one is KNOWING of a 'way out', then the 'feeling' of 'being stuck' would, logically, VANISH or DISAPPEAR. Although one may CHOOSE to REMAIN 'feeling stuck', in whatever 'it' is that they 'feel "stuck" within'. But, IF one 'feels stuck' IN some place, which they KNOW how to 'get out of', then, again, HOW could they, still, 'feel stuck'?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:07 pm It could be asking you to notice that you don't kill yourself and perhaps why you don't. It could be asking how you do not know about this way out, which I would guess he thinks you would.

EDIT: The idea seemed to come up here...
Age:
How could an adult human being 'feel stuck' in Life when they obviously KNOW about suicide?
I can't see anything before that. And that is not suggesting one should and then he goes on later to say that he did not suggest one should commit suicide or it was a good idea. But maybe you have seen something from him where he does say that, I just can't see it.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:53 am**

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:13 pm that is quite enough.

What, EXACTLY, is 'quite enough'?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:13 pm there will be no cyberbullying

1. 'you' here sound like 'you' BELIEVE that 'you' are a God, telling "others" what they WILL or WILL NOT be doing.

2. There IS 'cyberbulling', but NONE that I can see here, in this thread.

3. WHERE, WHEN, and WHAT are 'you' referring to here, EXACTLY?

4. Could 'you' be ASSUMING some thing that is NOT even here?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:13 pm and we shan't ever rush anyone to take their own lives.

Who does the 'we' word refer to here?

And, is ANY one 'rushing ANY one to take their own lives here?

If yes, then WHO, EXACTLY?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:13 pm rest assured, death will come soon enough, gentlemen, but for now we must 'live ourselves out', as the good saint max put it.

1. Who or what is 'max'?

2. WHY does 'death' come soon enough only to so-called "gentlemen"?

3. WHO is this one stating that 'we' MUST 'live ourselves out', whatever that actually means.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:54 am**

Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:46 amWhat I am asking would be like asking how could one 'feel stuck' in a cave or tunnel, when they KNOW of a 'way out'?

There is no way out of what one never entered.

Suicide is a void and null invalid word. Don't ever imagine it is a way out.

And stop DEFLECTING what you mean by changing the implications of suicide that has no way of being reversed, to like being caught up in a tunnel or a cave that one can get out of.

What I am asking would be like asking how could one 'feel stuck' in a cave or tunnel, when they KNOW of a 'way out'?

Has no relation and is not synonymous to suicide whatsoever. That is just your clever deflection because you know you messed up.

Suicide is known to have no return....tunnels and caves are known to have.

Just own it, you messed up.

Just fess up the mess...no one is judging it or making it...except in this CONception, the artificial dream of separation.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:42 pm**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:08 am Thanks for saving me the effort to recover this quote written by Age.
How could an adult human being 'feel stuck' in Life when they obviously KNOW about suicide?

This quote implies a person who is feeling stuck in their life....obviously need not feel stuck in their life when they obviously know about suicide.

By saying that, Age is making the presumption...that adults obviously know about suicide. Age is saying 'How' could any adult human 'feel stuck' as if Age was implying there is a way out of 'feeling stuck'

Age is not telling people to kill themselves that is true. Age is suggesting that since adult humans obviously KNOW about suicide then HOW could these people who 'feel stuck' really 'feel stuck' because they obviously know about suicide.

Well, I'm not sure about this, I could be wrong, but that comment written by Age, to me, implies that we adult humans who obviously know about suicide don't ever need to 'feel stuck' because HOW could we possibly 'feel stuck' when we obviously know about suicide.
I would say it implies that they are not stuck.

That to me, is reminding people that because they know about suicide, the option of suicide and it's meaning that we obviously know about, could perhaps mitigate their feelings of 'feeling stuck'...by means of a permanent solution through suicide when applied.
Well, I say they aren't stuck. Their feelings of horror and suffering are something else, but they are not stuck. He didn't tell you what to do (suicide). And he doesn't seem to be telling you what to feel and seems in posts to understand that given what you have experienced it is not surprising that you find life hellish - I haven't read enough to know if he did this in a caring or careless way or it fit what you were putting out.

It's endorsing an idea that may or may not be acted on.
Look, I don't think it was particularly sensitively asked. But it was a question and he has stated a number of times that he wasn't suggesting it as a good option or a way to deal with the problem. I am not fond of Age, but it's a pretty serious allegation that someone is suggesting that people kill themselves if they are suffering a lot. So, I looked into it. I would happily confront him on that and have on by comparison insignificant matter. I don't think it's a fair assessment to say he endorsed suicide as a solution if that's the idea you meant here.

If one is not stuck - And we aren't unless we are paralyzed - for example - then it is perhaps good to realize that we are choosing to continue living', despite whatever shit we feel or are going through, rather than thinking something like I do not choose to continue living. I am stuck. I think it probably would have been better to not simply ask the question, but perhaps put forward some context for it, since if one has experience with humans, one would know it might be taken as a suggestion to act in a certain way. But I do think the knowledge that one is choosing to live could even be helpful, at least for some, even if one considers the life one is choosing to continue is not at all as one would wish.

Since, in the end, nearly everyone knows about suicide, so presenting the situation as 'as if' one is simply stuck, could make it even more likely one chooses that option impulsively at some point.

But the main thing is someone telling people that suicide is a good option or endorsing that option is moving into areas that are potentially criminal. And I don't think he did that.

It's a bit like dealing with a grammar pedant. You send him a note about you've fallen in love or lost a child and he points out a dangling modifier. That's our Age and his agenda about assumptions. And while I have a number of times felt like putting him over my knee and spanking him (I don't like the idea of spanking children, but some adults......), I don't think he's the type to endorse suicide.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:48 pm**

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:42 pmI would say it implies that they are not stuck.

But it can feel like they are, and it's no good saying they are not when it feels anything but not.

No need to bring up the word suicide as a means to mitigage someones feelings that are not there, as you are now implying.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:59 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:24 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:46 am - Man is made in the image of God.
According to WHO, EXACTLY? 'Man' or 'men'?

According to every woman who shouts, "Oh My God!", during a non-conceptual moment of clarity ... that's who.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:04 pm**

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:42 pmWell, I say they aren't stuck. Their feelings of horror and suffering are something else, but they are not stuck. He didn't tell you what to do (suicide). And he doesn't seem to be telling you what to feel and seems in posts to understand that given what you have experienced it is not surprising that you find life hellish.

It's not up to Age to understand my feelings. Nor give any recommendation as how to deal with them. I'm an adult, I can work it out for myself. Imagine teaching a child that if you ever feel stuck, there is a way out of feeling stuck, by not believing you are stuck, and if you do really insist in believing you are stuck, when you clearly are not, then there is a way out of this misguided self belief, it's called suicide.

Yes, I have feelings that life is hellish. So what? I also have feelings that life is heavenish.

Gosh, SUE me for having those hellish feelings, that I know I could always get out of, by means of a non-returnable method, by putting a permanent non-returnable end to those feelings. An idea I personally wouldn't dream of acting on, even though I know about that way out, because I'm just not that bloody self-centred as to think there is a 'someone with feelings' that could be snuffed out like the flame on a candle..

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