Re: Is Reality Simply a Mental Construct?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:46 pm
So is that what your would do if everything was your own mind? Is that how you see yourself?
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So is that what your would do if everything was your own mind? Is that how you see yourself?
Wrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:45 pmEyes are but mediums to sight, ears mediums to hearing, skin mediums to touch. If these things are just mediums, than they are less than sight, hearing, or touch in itself as they are but points through which these things occur.
What you see in a mirror is a mirror, not the thing.
Kinda like this not-knowing known. And is why it’s likened to a dream, Or, an illusion.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:14 pmAn "external unknowable reality" is a construct, it is the limits of the knowable and as such is paradoxically a known distinction.Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:30 amA “known” reality is a mentally constructed reality in this conception.
Prior to the mentally constructed reality is an external unknowable reality.
Therefore, the known reality is an artificially created secondary reality imposed upon what is ultimately an uncreated unknowable reality.
And so even as the artificially created known reality is all that’s known, that known, is an illusion.
However we approach it, the nature and inevitability of paradox occurs...thoughts such as these become less of a problem and more of choice as to whether transform or stagnate.Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:50 pmKinda like this not-knowing known. And is why it’s likened to a dream, Or, an illusion.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:14 pmAn "external unknowable reality" is a construct, it is the limits of the knowable and as such is paradoxically a known distinction.Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:30 am
A “known” reality is a mentally constructed reality in this conception.
Prior to the mentally constructed reality is an external unknowable reality.
Therefore, the known reality is an artificially created secondary reality imposed upon what is ultimately an uncreated unknowable reality.
And so even as the artificially created known reality is all that’s known, that known, is an illusion.
Some yes. All? No. Conflict occurs regardless of type or degree of mental inclinations.
A part is a medium as the relationship of parts is how one part works through another. One part mediates the effects of another. To say one part is the central point of it all, results in innumerable center points as there are parts.Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:46 pmWrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:45 pmEyes are but mediums to sight, ears mediums to hearing, skin mediums to touch. If these things are just mediums, than they are less than sight, hearing, or touch in itself as they are but points through which these things occur.
What you see in a mirror is a mirror, not the thing.
That is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:00 pmA part is a medium as the relationship of parts is how one part works through another. One part mediates the effects of another. To say one part is the central point of it all, results in innumerable center points as there are parts.Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:46 pmWrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:45 pm
Eyes are but mediums to sight, ears mediums to hearing, skin mediums to touch. If these things are just mediums, than they are less than sight, hearing, or touch in itself as they are but points through which these things occur.
What you see in a mirror is a mirror, not the thing.
There’s always going to be a paradox or contradiction involved when it comes to the dual nature of language, which is basically conceptual knowledge..even the non-conceptual realm is known via language. So yes, paradox or contradiction is unavoidable.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:57 pmHowever we approach it, the nature and inevitability of paradox occurs...thoughts such as these become less of a problem and more of choice as to whether transform or stagnate.
You claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:05 pmThat is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.
Yeah because "physical" reality is the same as experience (unless shown otherwise). That's what the Western dualist civilization doesn't know.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:17 amYou claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:05 pmThat is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.
Apparent reality is true to the biology experiencing it; if the biology/organism is damaged, damage will be reflected in its perception of what is considered apparent reality. Organisms have different experiences of apparent reality due to differences in biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things on a subjective level. Biology introduces meaning into an otherwise meaningless world.Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:02 amYeah because "physical" realioty is the same as experience (unless shown otherwise). That's what the Western dualist civilization doesn't know.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:17 amYou claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:05 pm
That is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.
Maybe, maybe not. It's your subjective level assessment that the world is completely devoid of meaning outside biology, although by and large I agree with it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:42 amApparent reality is true to the biology experiencing it; if the biology/organism is damaged, damage will be reflected in its perception of what is considered apparent reality. Organisms have different experiences of apparent reality due to differences in biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things on a subjective level. Biology introduces meaning into an otherwise meaningless world.
A subjective level of assessment is all that is possible.Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:45 amMaybe, maybe not. It's your subjective level assessment that the world is completely devoid of meaning outside biology, although by and large I agree with it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:42 amApparent reality is true to the biology experiencing it; if the biology/organism is damaged, damage will be reflected in its perception of what is considered apparent reality. Organisms have different experiences of apparent reality due to differences in biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things on a subjective level. Biology introduces meaning into an otherwise meaningless world.