Is Reality Simply a Mental Construct?

[Eodnhoj7]

People who think that this solipsistic Kantian-Buddhist crap is supposed to be deep: consider that once people become solipsists, we can throw out human rights, because there are no other humans. So you are free to be murdered without repercussion.

So is that what your would do if everything was your own mind? Is that how you see yourself?

[Atla]

If the senses cannot be sensed through the senses ...

But you can see your eyes and ears and nose and skin in the mirror, you can touch them etc. Sensing your senses through the senses.

Eyes are but mediums to sight, ears mediums to hearing, skin mediums to touch. If these things are just mediums, than they are less than sight, hearing, or touch in itself as they are but points through which these things occur.

What you see in a mirror is a mirror, not the thing.

Wrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.

[Atla]

People who think that this solipsistic Kantian-Buddhist crap is supposed to be deep: consider that once people become solipsists, we can throw out human rights, because there are no other humans. So you are free to be murdered without repercussion.

So is that what your would do if everything was your own mind? Is that how you see yourself?

Don't know, but obviously some people would do that.

[Fairy]

If the senses cannot be sensed through the senses than is experience of external reality merely a process of the mind?

A “known” reality is a mentally constructed reality in this conception.
Prior to the mentally constructed reality is an external unknowable reality.
Therefore, the known reality is an artificially created secondary reality imposed upon what is ultimately an uncreated unknowable reality.

And so even as the artificially created known reality is all that’s known, that known, is an illusion.

An "external unknowable reality" is a construct, it is the limits of the knowable and as such is paradoxically a known distinction.

Kinda like this not-knowing known. And is why it’s likened to a dream, Or, an illusion.

[Eodnhoj7]

A “known” reality is a mentally constructed reality in this conception.
Prior to the mentally constructed reality is an external unknowable reality.
Therefore, the known reality is an artificially created secondary reality imposed upon what is ultimately an uncreated unknowable reality.

And so even as the artificially created known reality is all that’s known, that known, is an illusion.

An "external unknowable reality" is a construct, it is the limits of the knowable and as such is paradoxically a known distinction.

Kinda like this not-knowing known. And is why it’s likened to a dream, Or, an illusion.

However we approach it, the nature and inevitability of paradox occurs...thoughts such as these become less of a problem and more of choice as to whether transform or stagnate.

[Eodnhoj7]

People who think that this solipsistic Kantian-Buddhist crap is supposed to be deep: consider that once people become solipsists, we can throw out human rights, because there are no other humans. So you are free to be murdered without repercussion.

So is that what your would do if everything was your own mind? Is that how you see yourself?

Don't know, but obviously some people would do that.

Some yes. All? No. Conflict occurs regardless of type or degree of mental inclinations.

[Eodnhoj7]

But you can see your eyes and ears and nose and skin in the mirror, you can touch them etc. Sensing your senses through the senses.

Eyes are but mediums to sight, ears mediums to hearing, skin mediums to touch. If these things are just mediums, than they are less than sight, hearing, or touch in itself as they are but points through which these things occur.

What you see in a mirror is a mirror, not the thing.

Wrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.

A part is a medium as the relationship of parts is how one part works through another. One part mediates the effects of another. To say one part is the central point of it all, results in innumerable center points as there are parts.

[Atla]

Eyes are but mediums to sight, ears mediums to hearing, skin mediums to touch. If these things are just mediums, than they are less than sight, hearing, or touch in itself as they are but points through which these things occur.

What you see in a mirror is a mirror, not the thing.

Wrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.

A part is a medium as the relationship of parts is how one part works through another. One part mediates the effects of another. To say one part is the central point of it all, results in innumerable center points as there are parts.

That is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.

[Fairy]

An "external unknowable reality" is a construct, it is the limits of the knowable and as such is paradoxically a known distinction.

Kinda like this not-knowing known. And is why it’s likened to a dream, Or, an illusion.

However we approach it, the nature and inevitability of paradox occurs...thoughts such as these become less of a problem and more of choice as to whether transform or stagnate.

There’s always going to be a paradox or contradiction involved when it comes to the dual nature of language, which is basically conceptual knowledge..even the non-conceptual realm is known via language. So yes, paradox or contradiction is unavoidable.

[Fairy]

Solipsism is an idea of the mind. You as a body or mind is an illusion. What You really are is the moment. There is no eyes to see anything, what’s in front of you is you (without naming labeling).

[Eodnhoj7]

Wrong, they aren't just mediums, they are parts of the senses. Other parts are in the brain.

A part is a medium as the relationship of parts is how one part works through another. One part mediates the effects of another. To say one part is the central point of it all, results in innumerable center points as there are parts.

That is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.

You claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.

[Atla]

A part is a medium as the relationship of parts is how one part works through another. One part mediates the effects of another. To say one part is the central point of it all, results in innumerable center points as there are parts.

That is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.

You claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.

Yeah because "physical" reality is the same as experience (unless shown otherwise). That's what the Western dualist civilization doesn't know.

[popeye1945]

That is exactly how not to think. Reality has no actual parts, we just divide it into parts for everyday convenience. But when we start talking about actual central points, relationships, working through another, mediums, effects etc. between parts, we are merely going crazy.

You claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.

Yeah because "physical" realioty is the same as experience (unless shown otherwise). That's what the Western dualist civilization doesn't know.

Apparent reality is true to the biology experiencing it; if the biology/organism is damaged, damage will be reflected in its perception of what is considered apparent reality. Organisms have different experiences of apparent reality due to differences in biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things on a subjective level. Biology introduces meaning into an otherwise meaningless world.

[Atla]

You claim reality is absent of parts and yet what we know of reality is experience and there is an experience of dividing it into parts.

Yeah because "physical" realioty is the same as experience (unless shown otherwise). That's what the Western dualist civilization doesn't know.

Apparent reality is true to the biology experiencing it; if the biology/organism is damaged, damage will be reflected in its perception of what is considered apparent reality. Organisms have different experiences of apparent reality due to differences in biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things on a subjective level. Biology introduces meaning into an otherwise meaningless world.

Maybe, maybe not. It's your subjective level assessment that the world is completely devoid of meaning outside biology, although by and large I agree with it.

[popeye1945]

Yeah because "physical" realioty is the same as experience (unless shown otherwise). That's what the Western dualist civilization doesn't know.

Apparent reality is true to the biology experiencing it; if the biology/organism is damaged, damage will be reflected in its perception of what is considered apparent reality. Organisms have different experiences of apparent reality due to differences in biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things on a subjective level. Biology introduces meaning into an otherwise meaningless world.

Maybe, maybe not. It's your subjective level assessment that the world is completely devoid of meaning outside biology, although by and large I agree with it.

A subjective level of assessment is all that is possible.