Time is circular

[Eodnhoj7]

For something to begin and end; something would require a starting point ?

What will a starting point look like, maybe this .

But where does a Sphere begin or end? Where is the centre of a Sphere?

''Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere''

Time is circular and circular time is an illusion since it's doesn't start somewhere only to end somewhere else, time is simply going round in a circular motion forever.

Where is the starting point of spacetime matter? zooming in, spacetime matter seems to be enlarging until it's disappears completely, or zooming out, spacetime matter seems to be shrinking until it completely disappears. And so the centre of spacetime matter must be everywhere at once, or is the zero point of spacetime matter itself.

And what is the point of all this? Well, the point of all this, is that the point is a circle, you see .

The point is the constant steady state of zero equilibrium; rippling outward in every possible direction; causing the illusion of distance where there is none. The rippling effect never separates from it's original point. Everything is Everything all the time, and so separation is impossible, separation is an illusion.


Consciousness - an animation of Spirit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs&t=63s

This resembles the "corner less square" paradox in the "perfect form" thread in the metaphysics section.

[Belinda]

For something to begin and end; something would require a starting point ?

What will a starting point look like, maybe this .

But where does a Sphere begin or end? Where is the centre of a Sphere?

''Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere''

Time is circular and circular time is an illusion since it's doesn't start somewhere only to end somewhere else, time is simply going round in a circular motion forever.

Where is the starting point of spacetime matter? zooming in, spacetime matter seems to be enlarging until it's disappears completely, or zooming out, spacetime matter seems to be shrinking until it completely disappears. And so the centre of spacetime matter must be everywhere at once, or is the zero point of spacetime matter itself.

And what is the point of all this? Well, the point of all this, is that the point is a circle, you see .

The point is the constant steady state of zero equilibrium; rippling outward in every possible direction; causing the illusion of distance where there is none. The rippling effect never separates from it's original point. Everything is Everything all the time, and so separation is impossible, separation is an illusion.


Consciousness - an animation of Spirit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs&t=63s

Deistic religions hold that separateness , far being illusory, is part of God's word or Logos. See Genesis 1. I don't write this as if because it's Biblical it must be true. I write it as a helpful contrast to what you are saying.

I would like to have a clearer picture of the theory of existence that you endorse. Your geometrical simile is not helpful. "Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere'


Your simile, above, is geometrical and therefore it's mere measurement of what exists,which proves nothing about existence itself.

I agree with your " Everything is Everything all the time, and so separation is impossible, separation is an illusion.. But it does not follow that time is circular . On the contrary it implies that time is another illusion.

[accelafine]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Quite frankly antithetical notions have great value, they prevent stagnation.

Given the abundance of paradox within experience the constant state of being is transitional.

'This one', STILL, has NOT YET INFORMED you readers, here, what the 'paradox' word even MEANS nor even REFERS TO, EXACTLY. YET it KEEPS CLAIMING there is AN ABUNDANCE OF PARADOX, WITHIN 'experience', itself. Which is, OBVIOUSLY, COMPLETELY False AND UNTRUE. As WHERE 'paradoxes' EXIST, EXACTLY, IS NOT 'within experience', itself, but WITHIN WHERE 'they' DO EXIST, EXACTLY.

There is always a duality between a particular localized awareness and a general encompassing awareness. Given the subjectivity of time, time manifests as many paradoxical qualities. Everyone generally thinks their view is full proof, on its own terms, until a antithetical view comes into play that challenges one to adapt.

LOL WHEN one HAS the G.U.T.O.E., then, and ONLY THEN, is 'that view', FULL, COMPLETE, and FOOL PROOF.

And, AGAIN, if ABSOLUTELY ANY one would like to DISCUSS what the ACTUAL G.U.T.O.E. EVEN IS, EXACTLY, then, AS ALWAYS, let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

For the rest of 'you' who think or BELIEVE otherwise, then you WILL REMAIN UNINTERESTED, and thus WILL REMAIN NONE THE WISER.

[accelafine]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Quite frankly antithetical notions have great value, they prevent stagnation.

Given the abundance of paradox within experience the constant state of being is transitional.

'This one', STILL, has NOT YET INFORMED you readers, here, what the 'paradox' word even MEANS nor even REFERS TO, EXACTLY. YET it KEEPS CLAIMING there is AN ABUNDANCE OF PARADOX, WITHIN 'experience', itself. Which is, OBVIOUSLY, COMPLETELY False AND UNTRUE. As WHERE 'paradoxes' EXIST, EXACTLY, IS NOT 'within experience', itself, but WITHIN WHERE 'they' DO EXIST, EXACTLY.

There is always a duality between a particular localized awareness and a general encompassing awareness. Given the subjectivity of time, time manifests as many paradoxical qualities. Everyone generally thinks their view is full proof, on its own terms, until a antithetical view comes into play that challenges one to adapt.

LOL WHEN one HAS the G.U.T.O.E., then, and ONLY THEN, is 'that view', FULL, COMPLETE, and FOOL PROOF.

And, AGAIN, if ABSOLUTELY ANY one would like to DISCUSS what the ACTUAL G.U.T.O.E. EVEN IS, EXACTLY, then, AS ALWAYS, let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

For the rest of 'you' who think or BELIEVE otherwise, then you WILL REMAIN UNINTERESTED, and thus WILL REMAIN NONE THE WISER.

[accelafine]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Ok.

But I am not really sure what you mean. In actuality, I think Clarity is not-knowing, and Confusion is knowing. If that confuses you, then know it doesn't have to, as to be in alignment with clarity is the best one can do whenever confusion arises.

But, what you SAID and WROTE, here, is MORE or LESS, EXACTLY, what "mickthinks" was ALSO SAYING, and WROTE, but, OBVIOUSLY, to a LOT LESS EXTREME EXTENT.

So, I think "mickthinks" is NOT CONFUSED, here, AT ALL. As you just VERIFIED what "mickthinks" SAID and STATED. But, AGAIN, NOT in as such A SEVER EXTENT.

[accelafine]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct.

In 'that head' maybe.

Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

But comes AND goes, right?

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity'

But 'thought', itself, certainly does NOT have to do 'this', AT ALL.

So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular.

If 'that' is what is HAPPENING and OCCURRING within 'that head', then OKAY.

When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So, TO 'the one', within 'that head', there is NO movement of 'physical things' AT ALL.

By the way, although 'you' ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE, here, "fairy", 'you' are just NOT FULLY 'HERE', YET.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

As long as 'you' are referring to the One and ONLY Mind, and NOT to some IMAGINED MANY 'minds', then 'you' really ARE A LOT CLOSER, here, than 'you' ACTUALLY REALIZE.

[Belinda]

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct.

In 'that head' maybe.

Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

But comes AND goes, right?

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity'

But 'thought', itself, certainly does NOT have to do 'this', AT ALL.

So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular.

If 'that' is what is HAPPENING and OCCURRING within 'that head', then OKAY.

When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So, TO 'the one', within 'that head', there is NO movement of 'physical things' AT ALL.

By the way, although 'you' ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE, here, "fairy", 'you' are just NOT FULLY 'HERE', YET.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

As long as 'you' are referring to the One and ONLY Mind, and NOT to some IMAGINED MANY 'minds', then 'you' really ARE A LOT CLOSER, here, than 'you' ACTUALLY REALIZE.

Fairy's thoughts on time as one aspect of change are what interest me. Change is what we experience , and if there were no change ,no relativity, then we could not experience anything. ------That is evident from experimental sensory deprivation where the brainmind eventually hallucinates objects it can relate to.

Fairy's chosen image for change is a circle. Fairy, how about the image of a sundial where the changes in the positions of the shadow are not the shadow of the gnomon(the wee stick) but the shadow of the sun.
The, again, we have the image of the yinyang symbol that shows how change is a fundamental truth about existence itself.