Time is circular

[Fairy]

Time is like a wheel, it’s purpose is to move, but in the end, it always came back to the place it started.

[Flannel Jesus]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

[Impenitent]

sometimes, time is circular
sometimes, time is digital
sometimes, time is a bell in a tower

-Imp

[Fairy]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

[Fairy]

All moments are happening all the time.

Time is what keeps everything happening all at once. It keeps eggs from unscrambling, meaning, the creation of now is unwritten, only becoming written as a fairy story held in memory that is less work to build and easier to live in as and when there is the demand for knowledge.

[mickthinks]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

[Fairy]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Ok.

But I am not really sure what you mean. In actuality, I think Clarity is not-knowing, and Confusion is knowing. If that confuses you, then know it doesn't have to, as to be in alignment with clarity is the best one can do whenever confusion arises.

[Eodnhoj7]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Quite frankly antithetical notions have great value, they prevent stagnation.

Given the abundance of paradox within experience the constant state of being is transitional. There is always a duality between a particular localized awareness and a general encompassing awareness. Given the subjectivity of time, time manifests as many paradoxical qualities. Everyone generally thinks their view is full proof, on its own terms, until a antithetical view comes into play that challenges one to adapt.

[Eodnhoj7]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.

[Age]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct.

In 'that head' maybe.

Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

But comes AND goes, right?

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity'

But 'thought', itself, certainly does NOT have to do 'this', AT ALL.

So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular.

If 'that' is what is HAPPENING and OCCURRING within 'that head', then OKAY.

When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So, TO 'the one', within 'that head', there is NO movement of 'physical things' AT ALL.

By the way, although 'you' ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE, here, "fairy", 'you' are just NOT FULLY 'HERE', YET.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

As long as 'you' are referring to the One and ONLY Mind, and NOT to some IMAGINED MANY 'minds', then 'you' really ARE A LOT CLOSER, here, than 'you' ACTUALLY REALIZE.

[Age]

All moments are happening all the time.

Time is what keeps everything happening all at once. It keeps eggs from unscrambling, meaning, the creation of now is unwritten, only becoming written as a fairy story held in memory that is less work to build and easier to live in as and when there is the demand for knowledge.

So, what is this 'time' thing, EXACTLY, which 'you' are going on about, here?

WHEN 'you' ARE, ALSO, 'HERE', WITH 'us' "NOW', then 'you' WILL, ALSO, BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN, and TELL, what 'time' IS, EXACTLY?

[Age]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Ok.

But I am not really sure what you mean. In actuality, I think Clarity is not-knowing, and Confusion is knowing. If that confuses you, then know it doesn't have to, as to be in alignment with clarity is the best one can do whenever confusion arises.

But, what you SAID and WROTE, here, is MORE or LESS, EXACTLY, what "mickthinks" was ALSO SAYING, and WROTE, but, OBVIOUSLY, to a LOT LESS EXTREME EXTENT.

So, I think "mickthinks" is NOT CONFUSED, here, AT ALL. As you just VERIFIED what "mickthinks" SAID and STATED. But, AGAIN, NOT in as such A SEVER EXTENT.

[Age]

You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Quite frankly antithetical notions have great value, they prevent stagnation.

Given the abundance of paradox within experience the constant state of being is transitional.

'This one', STILL, has NOT YET INFORMED you readers, here, what the 'paradox' word even MEANS nor even REFERS TO, EXACTLY. YET it KEEPS CLAIMING there is AN ABUNDANCE OF PARADOX, WITHIN 'experience', itself. Which is, OBVIOUSLY, COMPLETELY False AND UNTRUE. As WHERE 'paradoxes' EXIST, EXACTLY, IS NOT 'within experience', itself, but WITHIN WHERE 'they' DO EXIST, EXACTLY.

There is always a duality between a particular localized awareness and a general encompassing awareness. Given the subjectivity of time, time manifests as many paradoxical qualities. Everyone generally thinks their view is full proof, on its own terms, until a antithetical view comes into play that challenges one to adapt.

LOL WHEN one HAS the G.U.T.O.E., then, and ONLY THEN, is 'that view', FULL, COMPLETE, and FOOL PROOF.

And, AGAIN, if ABSOLUTELY ANY one would like to DISCUSS what the ACTUAL G.U.T.O.E. EVEN IS, EXACTLY, then, AS ALWAYS, let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

For the rest of 'you' who think or BELIEVE otherwise, then you WILL REMAIN UNINTERESTED, and thus WILL REMAIN NONE THE WISER.

[Age]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.

you two BOTH BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, that 'Everything IS nothing', and ANY view OPPOSING 'that BELIEF' of BOTH of yours is Wrong. So, WHY do you two NOT just KEEP 'TRYING TO" argue and fight FOR 'that BELIEF' of yours? Or, is all of this part of your ARGUING and FIGHTING, here?

Now, for 'those' who CHOOSE TO BELIEVE, and/or WANT TO FIGHT FOR, 'the BELIEF' that 'EVERY thing' IS 'NO thing', then just EXPLAIN HOW 'this' COULD EVEN BE A THEORETICAL POSSIBILITY, let alone BEGINNING TO EXPLAIN HOW 'this' COULD BE AN ACTUAL EMPIRICAL POSSIBILITY.

THEN, and ONLY THEN, can 'we' BEGIN TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF 'the possibility' is EVEN THERE, FIRST, BEFORE 'we' MOVE ON TO SEEING IF 'EVERY thing IS NO thing' IS EVEN AN ACTUALITY, ITSELF.

[Fairy]

Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.

Always a pleasure to read your contributions.


There is nowhere but here, nowhere to go. The absolute is here already. It is just about our perception. The zero-point field is showing us already that there is no place to go. You already are what you are seeking, you are it. What you are seeking is seeking you.
Our natural "beingness," is always the place of least resistance. It is the realm of the absolute. It is the unnameable and unknowable and the source of all things. It is accessible within you, because it is you. Life has no form. We give it form with our perception.
Absolute Freedom at Zero Point.