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Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:14 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:00 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:30 pmTo the contrary... 'thinking' is what makes many people give up the ideas of theism.

But you haven't.

Haven't what? Theism didn't make sense to me, so I gave it up long ago.

We've had this conversation before where you basically clearly have a belief in the concept of pantheism\panentheism but don't like to ascribe the term "God" to it because of the religious connotations that can draw. That's fine, wo/man's religion doesn't have to come into the equation, but you are a theist.

Your thread: All is energy / God is energy
viewtopic.php?t=38903&hilit=god+is+energy

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:00 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:30 pm you are saying that 'thinking' is what is required to see evidence of God?

To comprehend evidence of God, yes.

Really? Well, there are lots of great, deep thinkers that see no evidence of God. Don't fool yourself into thinking that 'thinking' is the same as awareness. The human mind is full of convoluted self-serving beliefs and 'facts' -- we can see that everywhere in our world. People thinking and believing all kinds of preposterous stuff, which they all claim is 'deep' and 'true'.

In my experience -- at uniquely pivotal times -- awareness and clarity come when we get our 'thinking' out of the way. Set aside the ego and preconceptions and see and listen free of the mental 'noise'. Some may perceive insight and direction as coming from a god. Others may perceive insight and direction as a natural flow we can step into. There is surely no specific experience or path we must all have or follow.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:32 am We've had this conversation before where you basically clearly have a belief in the concept of pantheism\panentheism but don't like to ascribe the term "God" to it because of the religious connotations that can draw. That's fine, wo/man's religion doesn't have to come into the equation, but you are a theist.

Seriously, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I am? I don't believe in any gods... period! Zero. None.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:32 amYour thread: All is energy / God is energy

I believe I already explained this. Try to listen now. For me, 'all is energy'... and there is no god. I added the phrase 'God is energy' to speak to those who believe in a god. The same way you might use a word (or language) that others use, in order to make a point that they can relate to.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 am Seriously, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I am? I don't believe in any gods... period! Zero. None.

Sure, just keep telling yourself that.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:37 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 am Seriously, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I am? I don't believe in any gods... period! Zero. None.

Sure, just keep telling yourself that.

Ah... you do seem to like to glob concepts together erratically and falsely to arrive at delusional interpretations... so I guess you're just carrying on as usual.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:07 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:37 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 am Seriously, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I am? I don't believe in any gods... period! Zero. None.

Sure, just keep telling yourself that.

Ah... you do seem to like to glob concepts together erratically and falsely to arrive at delusional interpretations... so I guess you're just carrying on as usual.

Hey, you're the one that agreed with Veritas that the below image looks like a dick and balls!!



Evidence of a Lacewing brain fart!

"We" don't conclude much, since Philosophy is a very masculine endeavor where, even when there is agreement about conclusions, most will argue for the sake of argument, or out of spite, and feign disagreement even where there is none.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:27 am Hey, you're the one that agreed with Veritas that the below image looks like a dick and balls!!

Why is that so personally significant to you?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:31 pm "We" don't conclude much, since Philosophy is a very masculine endeavor where, even when there is agreement about conclusions, most will argue for the sake of argument, or out of spite, and feign disagreement even where there is none.

Good answer

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:55 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:27 am Hey, you're the one that agreed with Veritas that the below image looks like a dick and balls!!

Why is that so personally significant to you?

It was your personal attack on me suggesting I "glob concepts together erratically and falsely to arrive at delusional interpretations that I found rather significant.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:42 am It was your personal attack on me suggesting I "glob concepts together erratically and falsely to arrive at delusional interpretations that I found rather significant.

That description seems to fit in response to what you projected onto me.

There is more to 'spiritual' nature and potential than your unique experience or beliefs.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:42 am It was your personal attack on me suggesting I "glob concepts together erratically and falsely to arrive at delusional interpretations that I found rather significant.

That description seems to fit in response to what you projected onto me.

It took about four posts to me for you to revert to your usual ad hominem attack of using the term "delusional", welcome back to the forum.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 amThere is more to 'spiritual' nature and potential than your unique experience or beliefs.

Well then, please expand on your account of "spiritualism" with all its potential.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:30 am It took about four posts to me for you to revert to your usual ad hominem attack of using the term "delusional"

When you insist that you know what someone else thinks or believes, based on your own convoluted distortions, while ignoring what that person is telling you to the contrary, you're being delusional.

It's not my fault that you deserve this kind of feedback.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:30 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 amThere is more to 'spiritual' nature and potential than your unique experience or beliefs.

Well then, please expand on your account of "spiritualism" with all its potential.

First, I've already done that in many posts on this forum (as you should already know)... and second, why would I want to expand with you about something you so clearly are resistant to from the start? To have a reasonable discussion, you'd have to stop acting like an asshole, which seems unlikely since you repeatedly make excuses for it. If you can ever get past that, I'd love to talk with you about all kinds of things.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:49 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:30 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 amThere is more to 'spiritual' nature and potential than your unique experience or beliefs.

Well then, please expand on your account of "spiritualism" with all its potential.

First, I've already done that in many posts on this forum (as you should already know)... and second, why would I want to expand with you about something you so clearly are resistant to from the start? To have a reasonable discussion, you'd have to stop acting like an asshole, which seems unlikely since you repeatedly make excuses for it. If you can ever get past that, I'd love to talk with you about all kinds of things.

This is the point - I never dismiss others concepts of spiritualism yet you speak down to me like I do. I have my account, if that conflicts with yours then fine, we are allowed to discuss our own opinions.

OF COURSE THERE ARE THINGS SPIRITUAL IN NATURE OTHER THAN MY OWN UNIQUE EXPERIENCES AND BELIEFS - doesn't mean I am automatically delusional for holding them.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:12 am I never dismiss others concepts of spiritualism

But that's what you did to me. So evidently this isn't true.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:12 am OF COURSE THERE ARE THINGS SPIRITUAL IN NATURE OTHER THAN MY OWN UNIQUE EXPERIENCES AND BELIEFS - doesn't mean I am automatically delusional for holding them.

Good, then if you understand it, there wasn't even a need to suggest that I expand on it.

I said you were delusional for what you imposed on me while I was telling you that did not fit me.