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[vegetariantaxidermy]

And here we go ONCE AGAIN. 'We' have ANOTHER 'poster' making ALLEGATIONS and CLAIMS with absolutely NO PROOF NOR EVIDENCE provided.

You mean like when Age starts addressing one person as 'you humans' and then makes negative comments that way? Sort of like that? And does this several times again even after it was explained this was counterproductive. And in response to a response to Age saying that he had much to learn about communication with humans. Hm.

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'I' can NOT be CLOSED, and this is BECAUSE OF WHO and WHAT 'I' am EXACTLY?

And, 'i' can NOT be a so-called 'closed mind', and, AGAIN, this is BECAUSE OF who and what 'i' am EXACTLY.

What else would a closed mind say.

So many assumptions came back at me. Instead of triangulating by parphrasing, for example, the usual pecking at things with questions. Instead of spending some time - a week, a month - impatience and a mass of new questions, some mocking with LOLs and in other ways mocking.

It seems OK for Age to assume and generalize and judge and not take time to feel into something new or possibly new, but it is not ok for others according to Age.

Ah, well, habits are hard to break it seems for you. It was useful for me to try to bridge, and at the same time I hoped there would be a sign that it would actually be felt into, considered. Since he claimed that any problem in the communication was his fault and could not even accept when I took responsibility also. That in the context of this he might actually try something else, be patient, let his confusion and interest sit for a while, rather than the habitual classify, mock, peck at with questions. To feeeeel something for a while. Let it simmer and stew.

It's disappointing, but not that much.

You take care, Age.

Exactly. Age has as much as admitted to being a bot Perhaps the most advanced bots today are indistinguishable from autistic humans...

[Iwannaplato]

Exactly. Age has as much as admitted to being a bot Perhaps the most advanced bots today are indistinguishable from autistic humans...

Asking (too many) questions would be a good bot strategy in a Turing test. It distracts from any flaws and gaps in knowledge on the bot's part. I would guess that Age is not a bot. Though who the hell knows what levels they've managed in China, say. But botlike, yes. And perhaps for the same reasons.

[Age]

I have found WONDER, with OPENNESS, a Truly GOOD idea, as well as a VERY REFRESHING one ALSO.

By the way, I am NOT that inclined to HATE, NOR to SHOOT 'the driver' DEAD, UNNECESSARILY, with 'that' particular way of LOOKING AT 'things'.

To 'me', there is NO wonder of WHY some people WONDER WHY so MANY human beings get SHOT DEAD, in some countries, especially when nearly ALL of the adult occupants are SCARED and FEARFUL, or so-called "justified" and/or "minimized" as 'skeptical' of "others".

I hope you can see that we moved from a child being skeptical about getting into cars suddenly and quickly to an adult shooting drivers.

Can 'you' SEE that 'you' responded, suddenly and quickly, about ONE child being skeptical when 'you' were responding to my comment ABOUT 'children'?

You may well feel that the former must lead to the latter or can lead to the latter.

And 'you' may well feel what 'you' do or did here.

But here we are in the context of talking about what some humans need to learn and that includes learning to be less naive about the good intentions of others. As part of the response, you start describing adults shooting other drivers unnecessarily.

'We' still have NO clue as to what 'your' idea about this supposed 'need to learn' phrase, term, and idea of 'yours' is actually in reference to, EXACTLY. Hopefully 'you' CLEARED 'this' up when I questioned 'you' about 'it' in my last response to 'you'.

Can you imagine how messages from other 'I'

'you', "iwannaplato", STILL have ABSOLUTELY NO clue NOR idea about what thee 'I' here IS, EXACTLY.

down through time have shown an unclear understanding of who they are talking to and how this will be taken by humans down here?

If 'you' were NOT MISINTERPRETING what I have been SAYING and MEANING here, then, LITERALLY, 'you' would NOT have this PURELY UNCLEAR UNDERSTANDING here.

Or do you have a closed mind?

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of 'you' NOT LISTENING and coming to these CLEARLY UNCLEAR MISUNDERSTANDINGS, like this one SURELY IS.

Can you see your own blame and judgments of humans here?

By what 'you' SAY and WRITE here 'you', "iwannaplato", CLEARLY 'you' have not even BEGUN to COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, which I have been TALKING ABOUT and REFERRING TO here.

Oh, and by the way, if 'you', adult human beings, do NOT want to ACCEPT and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the MESS that the 'world' was OBVIOUSLY IN, back in the days when this was being written, then WHO or WHAT do 'you' want to 'blame' here?

You want us to thrive, it seems, and get along and certainly not be violent. But when it is pointed out that not all humans need to learn what you are saying, that they need to learn something else because of their own specific issues, your response is to make it seems like learning caution and not being naive about what may happen here in real time and does happen is what leads to murder.

It is FROM these kinds of MOST ABSURD ASSUMPTIONS and PRESUMPTIONS of 'yours' WHY 'things' BECOME CONFUSED, and/or GET MESSED UP.

1. I am still waiting to READ what this so-called 'need to learn' CLAIM IS, EXACTLY, and where it comes from, EXACTLY.

2. The way 'you' speak of and about them, then could be COUNTLESS scenarios of them, so REALLY NOT even worth talking about and discussing.

3. IF 'you', adult human beings, were ALREADY doing ONLY what IS Right in Life, THEN children would NOT have to be TAUGHT 'caution' in regards to this MOST ABSURD and STUPID situation you brought up and mentioned here.

Can you not understand how this becomes yet another cosmic guilt trip aimed at the emotional body when it is simply learning to undo certain kinds of imprinting?

Have you NOT YET UNDERSTOOD I NEVER aimed ANY so-called 'guilt trip' at ANY so-called 'emotional body'?

I am JUST POINTING OUT the Fact that has ALWAYS BEEN THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY for 'you', adult human beings, for what kind of 'world' ALL of 'you', human beings, live and/or dwell WITHIN.

Also, if 'you' want the phrase 'learning to undo certain kinds of imprinting' to be CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD, THEN 'you' NEED a LOT MORE EXPLAINING and CLARIFYING TO DO here.

Or do you have a closed mind about your own tendencies and oversimplifications?

UNTIL 'you' EXPLAIN what this 'mind' thing IS, EXACTLY, I will continue on SEEING, UNDERSTANDING, and KNOWING that ACTUALLY 'you' REALLY do NOT KNOW what 'you' are TALKING ABOUT and SAYING here. In other words, 'your' question is MOOT UNTIL 'you' EXPLAIN what the 'mind' IS, EXACTLY.

If you do have a closed mind on such issues, then it would also be good if you were not close, especially to children, because despite the good intentions, you will be sending messages that can hurt the emotional body and, if effective, slow down healthy learning.

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What IS this so-called 'emotional body' 'you' keep going on about, EXACTLY?

And, HOW can this so-called 'emotional body' be, allegedly, 'hurt', EXACTLY?

I point out that some children and adults do NOT need the message to be more open in relation to other people and you end up implying or stating that this then leads to murder.

I was NOT 'implying' this, PREVIOUSLY. BUT, now that 'you' MENTIONED 'this', it could be argued that ALL Wrong comes from NOT BEING OPEN.

So, the abused child or adult who DOES NOT need to balance in the way your words would lead to if followed, is suddnely hearing that doing what they, as particular individuals need to do will lead to murder.

If 'this' is what 'you' HEARD, and now ASSUME or BELIEVE that 'this' was what I was SAYING and MEANING, then here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of one who has NOT YET LEARNED HOW TO HEAR and LISTEN, properly AND correctly.

Anyway, 'you' USE the 'need' word a FAIR BIT here, so would 'you' like to EXPLAIN 'this' ANY FURTHER?

If no, then WHY NOT?

That, despite your good intentions, is a cruel message. It is also incorrect.

'your' whole INTERPRETATION here is Incorrect, False, and Wrong.

But, this is just because 'you' have a very strong tendancy to only look AT 'things' FROM 'your' VERY OWN VERY NARROWED PERSPECTIVE, ONLY.

AGAIN, all 'you' are REALLY doing is TEACHING children to GROW UP being SCARED and FEARFUL of "others", just like 'you' are 'now'. And, just like how 'you' were TAUGHT TO BE 'before'.

I do see that you have that judgment about me and us in a universalized way. You speak in general ways to individuals, generally putting forward your judgments of all humans.

Well how ELSE can one speak about ANY thing If NOT to 'individuals'?

Is there some way, which you know of, in regards to HOW one could speak to ALL and EVERY one other than by speaking to 'you', individually?

By the way, I DO.

You want us to be open, but this is a sign of your lack of openess and will be causal in precisely the same ways you are concerned about our judgments being causal.

But 'you' do NOT YET have absolutely ANY clue as to what I have been SAYING and TALKING ABOUT here. As PROVED True by 'your' VERY OWN WORDS here.

What do 'you' ENVISION I am NOT being OPEN ABOUT here, EXACTLY?

Can the 'I' learn to be more nuanced in its responses to indivudal humans?

If thee 'I' wants to learn how to communicate better, say, 'with 'you', human beings, and 'It' is OPEN, then OBVIOUSLY 'It' can learn what you asked here.

Is there a need to constantly refer to you humans?

I have NEVER used the words, 'you humans', throughout this WHOLE forum, let alone just within this thread. Which just SHOWS and PROVES just how LITTLE 'you' are, REALLY, LISTENING, HEARING, and SEEING here.

And, ONCE AGAIN, your LACK of ABILITY here is due to your VERY OWN Wrong MISPERCEPTIONS of things here.

Or can you speak one entity to another? to one individual? The constant generalizing while talking to individuals becomes a collective guilt trip, with you would know if you could be manifest rather than merely channeled.

ONCE MORE, "iwannaplato" 'your' INTERPRETATIONS are Wrong, AGAIN.

This is constant in your communication, you humans are......

LOL ONCE AGAIN, I have NEVER SAID 'this', EVER.

What 'you' are DOING HERE is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of just HOW MUCH and HOW OFTEN 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, would SEE and/or HEAR 'things' that REALLY are just NOT THERE, NOR HERE.

I think you will find there are 'feelings' going on ALL of the time and not just when a creature is moving towards you.

I don't know why you put this in the future tense. What formed the judgment that I did not already know this?

BECAUSE 'you' SAID and WROTE that, 'you get a feel when a creature moves towards you'. That is what formed the VIEW that you did NOT ALREADY KNOW that there are 'feelings' HAPPENING, ALL OF THE TIME. How often, or even if, 'you' are ACTUALLY Aware of ANY or ALL of them, then that is a WHOLE OTHER MATTER.

Often your questions include assumptions.

OKAY. If this the judgment 'you' have formed here, then so be it. Are 'you' 'trying to' IMPLY ANY 'thing' in or with this particular here?

Further they often come across as trying to demonstrate as a room some mistake on the other person's part.

Are you suggesting that the "other" does NOT make as MANY mistakes, or maybe even ANY mistakes, as they ACTUALLY DO?

Do 'you', personally, NOT like having 'your' MISTAKES POINTED OUT and/ SHOWN?

Are you learning about your true self here and with me/us or are you here just to teach or for something else? [/quote]

I am here to LEARN how to communicate better, with 'you', human beings. Once I learn 'this', then I will KNOW HOW to express, sufficiently enough.

Great, I hope you can hear some of what I have said above with an open mind.[/quote]

LOL By what 'you' just WROTE and SAID here 'you' are YET TO even LEARN and COME TO KNOW what the 'Mind' IS, EXACTLY.

So, ONCE AGAIN, I suggest 'you' OPEN so 'you' can LEARN MORE, and/or ANEW.

See, if I have ALREADY LEARNED who and/or what some 'thing' is, EXACTLY, then there is really nothing nor much more to learn about 'that' 'thing', but there will ALWAYS BE BETTER WAYS to communicate with "others" about what one has ALREADY LEARNED, and/or has ALREADY come to UNDERSTAND

I think you may be underestimating what you need to learn, given your goals.

1. What do 'you' think or BELIEVE my goals are, EXACTLY?

2. What do 'you' think or BELIEVE that I 'need to learn' here, EXACTLY?

The part I bolded in the quote above is precisely how you come across.

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Do 'you', "iwannaplato", REALLY BELIEVE that absolutely ANY one ELSE KNOWS what 'you' are talking about EXACTLY here?

I suggest 'you' just TELL 'us' DIRECTLY how those words COME ACROSS to 'you' ALONE, AND THEN LET and ALLOW "others" to SEE how THOSE WORDS COME ACROSS to 'them'.

ALSO, 'your' ATTEMPT TO DECEIVE but NOT 'bolding' the IF word AS WELL, only LEADS to UTTER DECEPTION and DISTORTION.

SEE, what I ACTUALLY WROTE was: IF ..., THEN ...

AND, what can be CLEARLY SEEN, in MY WORDS, is that what I SAID and WROTE there is just more or less an IRREFUTABLE Fact. Which, 'you' can NOT logically DISPUTE except through maybe some for of DECEPTION that SOME "others" may NOT PICK UP ON and RECOGNIZE.

Now, if I COME ACROSS to 'you' as though when I ALREADY KNOW who or what some 'thing' IS, EXACTLY, for example, then CLEARLY there is REALLY NOT that much more to learn about that 'thing'.

That you have learned all you need to know about 'you humans' it is just that you need to learn more about how to better communicate with them?

WHY do 'you' SAY and WRITE the words 'you humans'? I have NEVER USED those words, like that.

What do the words, 'you humans', even mean or refer to, to 'you', EXACTLY?

Well, how could you possibly know about human beings if you still do not know exactly how to communicate with them?

Because of how the human brain works, and how 'it' is connected with the BELIEF-system I KNOW it is ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE HEARD, LISTENED TO, and be FULLY UNDERSTOOD when one of 'you' have or HOLD A BELIEF, and what is being talked ABOUT opposes that BELIEF.

See, communicating with the VERY YOUNG of 'you', human beings, is about the most SIMPLEST thing to do in Life.

Learning HOW to communicate, EXACTLY, with 'you', adult human beings, is the ONLY ISSUE here, which I am STILL NOT YET SURE OF.

SEE, it is FROM KNOWING ABOUT 'you', human beings, and KNOWING how the human brain works, EXACTLY, WHY there is STILL MORE for 'me' and 'Me' in regards to communicating WITH 'you', human beings.

Allow that to be a Koan for a while in both your minds?

"iwannaplato" what 'you' areSAYING and DOING here 'you' ARE PROVING ABSOLUTELY True in regards to what I have been and am am SAYING and CLAIMING here.

There are NOT 'two minds'. Or, do 'you' BELIEVE there ARE?

Cause communication is based on one's understanding of who one is communicting with. Fundamentally.

YES, 'I' AM communicating with 'you', human beings, here, in one form or another, some might say.

And, let us NOT forget that brand new human babies communicate with 'you', adult human beings, also in one form or another. So, are 'you' now suggesting that brand new human babies have AN 'understanding' of WHO 'you', adult human beings, ARE, who the baby is communicating WITH?

If you want to throw dozens of questions at me, seeking to show my assumptions or mistaken understandings or write a judgment in response beginning with 'you humans', you might want to consider that you cannot consider certain things and do not have as open a mind as you think.

LOL I am NOT asking 'you' questions for 'these reasons', which 'you' ARE ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING here.

'you' REALLY still do have A LOT MORE to LEARN about thee 'I', which 'you' are communicating WITH here.

Some might actually even RECOGNIZE the similarity between the new born human baby communicating with the adult human being, or, with the ape communicating with the human being, or, with the human being communicating with the NEXT STAGE in the evolutionary process.

It can be good to mull for a long period of time, and even responding at all to me in words here probably should a low priority. Especially if it has those markers of defending yourself.

What are 'you' on about here, EXACTLY?

And, how could it be possible that some human beings are born NOT 'naive' to 'that' or 'those' specific area/s?

Some people via experience, including experiences before they were born, and also through imprinting need to learn to be more open.

HOW, EXACTLY, is it even POSSIBLE to have 'experiences' BEFORE one is so-called 'born' or 'conceived'?

Other's need to learn how to allow themselves better boundaries.

'need to learn' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?

And, 'better boundaries' in regards to what, EXACTLY?

You don't want to tell these different children with different tendencies the exact same message about what they need to do.

I do NOT tell ANY one what they 'need' to do.

It is only people like 'you', "iwannaplato" who TELL "others" what they, supposedly, 'need' to do.

While we are this point, or issue, WHY do 'you' BELIEVE children 'need to learn'?

If the goal is for them to suffer less and create less suffering for others.

Whose 'goal' is this, EXACTLY?

If you have different goals or a mixed goal or are not fully in conscious contact with your goals, you may want to do this.

I may want to do 'what', EXACTLY?

If 'you' are talking about NOT TELLING children what they 'need to do', then considering the fact that I do NOT, I suggest 'you' STOP thinking or BELIEVING that children 'need to learn' (and thus also 'need to do') some things'. Which 'you' CLEARLY DO.

It will not be helpful and even will be harmful for some children.

But, AGAIN, I DO NOT DO 'this', what 'you', OBVIOUSLY, DO.

And, if 'you' EVER get around to providing SOME SPECFIC EXAMPLES of what 'it' is EXACTLY that 'you' are 'trying to' get across here, then this WILL help 'you' out TREMENDOUSLY.

I hope you have an open mind about such things.

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What is this 'mind' thing, which 'you' speak of and talk about here "iwannaplato"?

'you' WILL ' kick "yourself" ', as some would say WHEN, and IF, 'you' ever get to FIND OUT what thee Mind IS, EXACTLY.

The non adult human being 'world' will NOT 'take' from 'you' absolutely ANY 'thing' just for some GREEDY and/or SELFISH 'reason' or 'want'. See, ONLY 'you', human beings, WILL 'take' 'things' from 'you' for some completely UNNECESSARY reason like for 'money' or for 'your views or beliefs'

Well, cats will play with mice before they kill them in ways that seem unnecessary to me.

Could it be for the reason that 'this behavior' is just the Natural way cats LEARN, in order to survive and keep living?

Other carnivores manage to not have this tendency. So this cat essence is imprinted in a certain way. And notice that when it is pointed out that your blame aimed just as humans fits other creatures, you imply in question form that this is simply the way cats learn. [/quote]

Come on "iwannaplato" 'you' can NOT REALLY BE THIS CLOSED.

SHOW 'us' WHERE my so-called BLAME fits OTHER creature BESIDES 'you', the adult human being CREATURE.

You could have 'defended' human torture this way, but chose not to, because you have a judgment that the only problems are in humans.

"iwannaplato" 'you', REALLY, 'need' a lesson in LISTENING and/or in COMPREHENSION if 'you' REALLY want to LEARN what I am ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING here. That is; if 'you' EVER do want to GET to what I am ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING here.

All 'you' are really essentially doing here is just PROVING True how Wrong your PERCEPTIONS and INTERPRETATIONS ARE here.[/quote]

Also, WHY do 'you' ALLUDE SO MUCH.

What is 'this way', which I, supposedly, could have 'defended' 'you', adult human beings, torturing 'things', including your OWN children.

Oh, and by the way, I would NEVER 'defend' the TORTURE 'you', adult human beings, are continually PERPETRATING on children, NOR on ANY other living being.

Until we down here are understood to be in a more complicated situation that your model allows, that creatures and entities other than humans have also been a source of problems for a long, long time, your judgments of humans will come across as guilt and shaming and incomplete understanding.

LOL WHAT other, supposed, creatures and entities would 'you' like to ALLEGE are a 'source of problems' 'down there', as 'you' call 'it' on earth?

And, ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE NEVER EVEN SUGGESTED THE ABOVE LET ALONE SAID IT.

And entities that are more subtle can also be sadistic.

OF COURSE 'you', adult human beings, can BE 'sadistic'. This is VERY OBVIOUS and VERY CLEARLY WELL UNDERSTAND.

I am very specifically using the word 'entities'.

And I specifically USED the words 'adult human beings'. This can be CLEARLY SEEN in the ACTUAL WORDS that I just USED here.

I include spirits of all kinds of all different densities and locations and qualities. The 'i' I am addressing that is communication through 'Age' is also an entity. I will copy this and put it at the beginning because it is important that my prior uses are understood better.

Instead of just including so-called 'spirits' of ALL 'kinds' of DIFFERENT 'things' and 'places' I suggest 'you' provide 'us' with WHAT some of these 'spirit' 'things' ARE, EXACTLY, WHAT 'they' are made up of, EXACTLY, and WHERE they EXIST, EXACTLY.

I prefer to just REMAINING LOOKING AT and SEEING thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth ONLY. I do NOT do 'positive' NOR 'negative' in 'things' like these here. I found 'positive' and/or 'negative' can DISTORT 'things' way TO MUCH.

Though you often tell individuals your judgments of all humans, you humans.

Besides the Fact that I have NEVER USED the words 'you humans' in the way that 'you' KEEP TELLING 'us' here that I do, HOW, EXACTLY, telling "others" MY, so-called, 'judgments' in and of itself 'positive' or 'negative', EXACTLY?

Also, 'you' would have to provide SOME examples for 'us' to LOOK AT and SEE if they are ACTUALLY 'judgments' or 'views', AND THEN have a discussion on what is the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE between the two, to 'you', BEFORE 'we' could even progress here at all.

And it comes across negative, as negative judgments of all humans or most humans.

I am VERY HAPPY that 'you' ADMITTED 'this' ALL ON YOUR OWN here.

This will come in VERY HANDY, for 'Me'.

If you think this is merely my misinterpretation, consider that as an unmanifest entity, merely channeled to reach here, you are not here and you may not understand how you come across. I suspect you do not realize the strenght of your own negative judgments of humans and emotions and desire and the like,

THANK YOU ALSO for PROVING MY POINT about HOW ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS GET IN THE WAY and/or DISTORT one from being ABLE TO SEE thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truths in Life.

I have NEVER made a so-called 'negative judgment'. 'you' have ONLY ASSUMED and/or BELIEVING that 'I' am making 'negative judgments', which, as I have been SAYING and POINTING OUT IS what is STOPPING and PREVENTING 'you' from SEEING what I am ACTUALLY WRITING and from HEARING what I have ACTUALLY been SAYING here.

So, WHEN, and IF, 'you' STOP making ASSUMPTIONS and START making CLARIFICATIONS, then, and ONLY THEN 'you' WILL BEGIN to RECOGNIZE and SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth of what has been going on here IS EXACTLY.

but at the very least I hope you will consider that your communication, here, comes off as very judgmental of humans.

I will NOT just 'consider' this, I can SEE VERY CLEARLY that 'you' ASSUME and/or BELIEVE that my communication with 'you', human beings, IS, to 'you' anyway, VERY JUDGMENTAL of 'you', human beings.

I wonder if 'you' WILL EVER 'consider' that ALL of this time I might have NEVER been 'judgmental' AT ALL.

'We' will just have to WAIT to SEE how 'you' proceed on from here, right?

Perhaps your 'i' can help you understand this, as long as the 'i' is not too attached to your being perfect.

ALL of these ASSUMPTIONS, especially the last one, of the two here, are only leading 'you' completely ASTRAY "iwannoplato".

Although BOTH of 'your' ASSUMPTIONS could NOT be FURTHER FROM THEE Truth here, some of them ACTUALLY do far more HARM and DAMAGE as others do.

I SAY that 'emotions' and 'thoughts' are, literally, what the 'person', the 'self', the 'you', or 'we', individually, ARE, EXACTLY.

Sure.

Communication, here, comes at a specific moment, in a specific place and falls upon the eyes or ears some a specific person. If you tell final universal truths they may come as blows. One child may need to hear, now, that they are too naive about the good intent of others. Another child may need to hear, now, that they have negative judgments about others and this will cause problems (sometimes).

When 'you' USE the 'children' word here, along with the 'universal truths' here are 'you' referring to ALL human beings as 'children', or just to the children of 'you', human beings, as 'children'?

If it is just the 'children' ONLY and NOT the 'adults', then WHY do 'you' have this VIEW or JUDGMENT that 'children' NEED TO LEARN certain things and NOT other things?

Also, if 'you' did NOT answer before, WHY do 'you' ASSUME 'children' NEED to learn ANY thing?

And so it is with adults with our various tendencies, imprinting, patterns, habits, damage, pain, insights, wisdom, ability to sense/notice/intuit. If you think you know this, fine. But it comes across like you don't, sometimes. That you are very aware of the judgments and assumptions of adult humans, but in some ways quite naive about what is happening here,

WHERE is the word 'here' referring to, EXACTLY?

And, WHAT is 'happening' 'here', EXACTLY?

If 'you' can NOT or will NOT answer these questions, THEN WHY SAY these 'things' here?

and also that your own judgments of humans, emotions and communication will end up with you talking past people or saying things they not only do not need to hear but also that, should they listen, will reinforce problematic patterns.

In case 'you' have NEVER HEARD 'Me' SAY this BEFORE, then let 'us' MAKE SURE that 'you' do 'now', okay?

I am NOT necessarily writing words, in this forum here, for 'you', posters.

In other words, My TARGETED AUDIENCE is NOT necessarily for 'you', posters, here. So, IF what I WRITE is TALKING PAST 'you', or, GOING OVER YOUR HEADS, as some might say, then so be it. My words were OBVIOUSLY NOT TARGETED AT 'you', nor 'those ones'.

That it will function like guilt and shaming and clutter things more.

IF I HAPPEN to USE a FEW, in the days and age of when this is being written, to SHOW WHAT NOT TO DO, and REVEAL HOW TO GO ABOUT DO 'things', in order to REACH the TARGETED GOAL I have SET here, then so be it.

In Fact it IS 'you', posters, here that ARE being MOST REMEMBERED for what 'you' have ended up CREATING for future, to 'you', human beings, and 'Us'.

Unmanifest entities can come across as no it alls and further do not seem to notice how their own judgments, long ago, participated in the mess and many have not been dissolved still.

Okay, just like ALL of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this WAS being written had NOT FULLY NOTICED how it was YOUR DISTORTED VIEWS and JUDGMENTS, ALSO, which contributed SEVERELY to the MESS that the 'world' ended up IN, in the days when this WAS being written.

But, NONE of 'you', adult human beings, here would ADMIT 'this' Correct?

Further, a number of us have heard these messages many times before, but we are spoken to as if this could not have happened.

What is the 'this' word here referring to, EXACTLY?

It can be a bit like dealing with a know it all teenager.

The issue with so-called 'teenagers' is that they are ACTUALLY transitioning from KNOWING what IS ACTUALLY Right in Life and being FORCED to ACTUALLY DO and FOLLOW the Wrong that 'you', adult human beings, are DOING in Life.

There is NO wonder WHY they WANT to REBEL AGAINST 'you', adult human beings.

INTERNALLY they want to DO what IS Right in Life, but they are continually being TOLD and FORCED to DO otherwise.

And remember: yes, if I say you had a part, the 'I' (big letter) had a part in the problems and that you have negative judgments and other comments that can be seen as critical and/or are critical, and this elicits anger, irritation, emotions that fit with 'how dare you', anxiety, resistance
it is vastly more important that you explore and are curious about those feelings in yourself
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LOL There is NOT ONE SINGLE 'emotion' here that 'you' have LISTED. I also have absolutely NO 'thinking' AT ALL like 'how dare you'.

LOL "iwannaplato" I can SEE ABSOLUTELY CLEARLY THE MISTAKES that 'you' are MAKING HERE.

And, 'you' TELLING 'Me' that it would be BETTER FOR 'Me' to do SOME 'thing' OTHER than to CHALLENGE 'you' on 'your' OWN Wrong and/or DISTORTED 'thinking' sounds EXACTLY LIKE an 'adult' TELLING and/or FORCING a 'child' to DO SOME 'thing' OTHER than CHALLENGE 'you'.

SEE, it is ONLY the ones who do NOT KNOW what they are ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT who do NOT LIKE to be CHALLENGED and/or QUESTIONED.

Whereas, on the other hand, I ACTUALLY LOVE to be QUESTIONED and CHALLENGED, and on ABSOLUTELY EVERY 'thing' I SAY and WRITE. And, in fact, 'I' ACTUALLY THRIVE on ALL of it.

So, ONCE AGAIN, I suggest that if 'you' think or BELIEVE that ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' I have SAID or WRITTEN is false, wrong, and/or incorrect, then ACTUALLY CHALLENGE and/or QUESTION 'Me' on ANY of 'them', AND THEN let 'us' SEE WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES.

Or, 'you' can keep doing what 'you' are here. But do 'you' REALLY think 'you' are ACTUALLY ACHIEVING ANY 'thing' here, of ANY REAL PURPOSE?

If yes, then GREAT. KEEP GOING.

But, if no, then this might just be BECAUSE 'you' have NO ACTUAL REASON NOR GOAL for what 'you' are ACTUALLY DOING here, now.

Much more important...if the true goal is to communicate well and reach people with ideas that make communication better for them and you.

If you want every voice you encounter to either align with your sense/model of what is happening
or
to endlessly justify themselves,
then you are a very serious part of the problem or would be if listened to.

So, if 'your' WORDS can NOT JUSTIFY themselves, THEN WHY USE them?

WHY NOT PICK and CHOOSE DIFFERENT WORDS. WORDS that ACTUALLY WORK WITH and IN OTHER WORDS. That is; WHY NOT USE WORDS that WORK WITHIN One UNIFORMED CRYSTAL CLEAR BIG Picture of 'things'.

And to the little i, the 'i' who types Age's posts...
Consider that while 'I' model may seem complete and lovely and 'I' has many insights and notices many, many problems out there and all this seems to add together to something that should only be questions in the sense of asked for wisdom, consider that some entities can have lovely and seemingly complete models AND have many wonderful insights AND notice many, many problems out there AND all this is very impressive
that same entity can have serious blind sports, biases and problems.

WHEN, and IF, 'you' EVER STOP making ASSUMPTIONS and/or HOLDING BELIEFS, and Truly WANT TO LEARN, then what BECOMES CRYSTAL CLEAR is that thee 'I' is ONLY EVER Right when ALL are IN AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE. BUT, 'you' are quite A WAYS from LEARNING and DISCOVERING this IRREFUTABLE Fact.

Humans have, for so long now, made assumptions based on processes like the one in the previous paragraph.

Is this an example of these 'generalized negative judgments', which 'you' have been going on about and talking about here "iwannaplato"?

Finally a voice with so many answers and because many of those answers (and, well, questions) seem so right
huge problems are missed.

LOOK "iwannaplato", 'you' do NOT even USE the 'problem' word the WAY 'I' DO. And, IF 'I' EVER questioned 'you' about what does the 'problem' word even mean or refer to, to 'you', EXACTLY, and HOW does that definition FIT IN PERFECTLY WITH what 'you' have been SAYING and TALKING ABOUT here, and what 'you' have been ACCUSING 'Me' of here, then what would be VERY QUICKLY and VERY CLEARLY SEEN is that, REALLY, 'you' do NOT even KNOW what 'you' are TALKING ABOUT, and which 'you' STILL have A LOT MORE TO LEARN about.

Unfortunately, even very wise entities and the ones who channel them ('I' and ''i') can both have closed minds about certain things
that after so much time
would be scary to question and look into.

Besides the Fact that this is AN IMPOSSIBILITY, because of what thee Mind IS, EXACTLY, it is this kind of UNKNOWING that 'you' have here, with A BELIEF that 'you' do ACTUALLY KNOW what 'you' are TALKING ABOUT, WHY 'you', human beings, have become SO CONFUSED, and thus SO LOST in Life.

By the way, WHO, EXACTLY, are these so-called 'i's and 'I's which are supposedly channeled through these OTHER so-called 'entities', and, WHO, are these OTHER so-called 'entities', EXACTLY, anyway?

Here, in this thread, all sorts of things can be said or left unsaid. But so much can happen outside the thread, without it being confessed to. So, there is space for both of you to explore what I have asked and also suggested for yourselves. What happens here is just the tip of the iceberg.

Sounds like 'you' are 'trying to' CLAIM here that 'you', the one here known as "iwannaplato", KNOW SO MUCH MORE than "others" do. Is this correct?

Are 'you' OPEN to explore what 'I' have asked and also suggested to 'you'? Or, do 'you', as 'you' say, have a CLOSED MIND?

[Age]

And here we go ONCE AGAIN. 'We' have ANOTHER 'poster' making ALLEGATIONS and CLAIMS with absolutely NO PROOF NOR EVIDENCE provided.

You mean like when Age starts addressing one person as 'you humans'

1. I have NEVER EVER USED the term 'you humans'.

2. I have NEVER EVER addressed 'one person' as ANY thing more than 'one person'.

3. So NO, I NEVER EVER 'mean' ANY thing like this here.

and then makes negative comments that way?[/quote]

'Negative' OR 'positive' is VERY RELATIVE. And, ANY 'negative comment' 'you' SEE or BELIEVE is here is of 'your' OWN MAKING and DOING.

I do NOT SAY and MEAN what 'you' are ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING a LOT of the time "iwannaplato". AND, UNTIL 'you' BEGIN to CLARIFY, 'you' will NEVER KNOW FOR SURE what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, what I am SAYING, and MEANING, here.

So, AGAIN, what 'you' wrote here is just False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, ONCE MORE.

What I ACTUALLY MEANT WAS and IS, 'you', "iwannaplato", have ACTUALLY provide ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of one who makes a CLAIM but does NOT PROVIDE ANY ACTUAL PROOF NOR EVIDENCE, even when SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR. And the REASON WHY 'you' DO NOT is BECAUSE 'you' NEVER ACTUALLY 'thought through' the CLAIM BEFORE 'you' made the CLAIM PUBLIC.

Also, did 'you' PURPOSELY ADDRESS 'your' sentence here to 'me' but speak ABOUT 'me', like in the third person ON PURPOSE, or ACCIDENTALLY?

Sort of like that?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like 'that'.

In fact 'you' could NOT be MUCH MORE Wrong as 'you' were here.

And does this several times again even after it was explained this was counterproductive.

I am writing for a SPECIFIC AUDIENCE, which is NOT necessarily WHO 'you' ASSUME NOR BELIEVE that 'it' is.

So, I WILL BE THEE Judge of what I am writing IS counter productive, somewhat productive, productive, or VERY productive, okay?

Also, at the rate 'you' are SHOWING and GOING here 'you' will NEVER be around to make ANY judgment about 'productivity' here.

And in response to a response to Age saying that he had much to learn about communication with humans. Hm.

LOL

'I' can NOT be CLOSED, and this is BECAUSE OF WHO and WHAT 'I' am EXACTLY?

And, 'i' can NOT be a so-called 'closed mind', and, AGAIN, this is BECAUSE OF who and what 'i' am EXACTLY.

What else would a closed mind say.

LOL

WHY have 'you' CHOSEN to speak ABOUT 'Me' INSTEAD of WITH 'Me'?

Does feeling INCAPABLE to back up and support YOUR CLAIMS and feeling INCAPABLE to CHALLENGE NOR QUESTION 'Me' make 'it' EASIER and SIMPLER for 'you' to 'try to' GARNISH SUPPORT FROM "others" INSTEAD?

AGAIN, WHEN, and IF, 'you' LEARN and UNDERSTAND what thee Mind IS, EXACTLY, and HOW the human brain works EXACTLY, then 'you' WILL ALSO SEE and UNDERSTAND just how NONSENSICAL this response of YOURS IS here.

So many assumptions came back at me. Instead of triangulating by parphrasing, for example, the usual pecking at things with questions. Instead of spending some time - a week, a month - impatience and a mass of new questions, some mocking with LOLs and in other ways mocking.

LOL

HOW, EXACTLY, IS LOL so-called 'mocking'?

For those of ANY INTEREST AT ALL, 'I' have been USING the three letters of 'LO" for the VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE and REASON to SHOW and PROVE, IRREFUTABLY, just HOW MUCH and HOW OFTEN the adult human beings, BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THIS WAS BEING WRITTEN, WOULD JUMP TO ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS, AND BELIEVE 'them' TO BE TRUE, BEFORE they would even begin to just CONSIDER to even WONDER what, EXACTLY, is the "other" one ACTUALLY SAYING, and ACTUALLY MEANING.

This one ACTUALLY ASSUMES and/or BELIEVES 'me' USING those three letters is MOCKING. Which, AGAIN, could NOT be FURTHER FROM THEE ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

It seems OK for Age to assume and generalize and judge and not take time to feel into something new or possibly new, but it is not ok for others according to Age.

According to WHO, EXACTLY?

To 'me', 'you' ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE to SAY and DO ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' AT ALL.

ALSO, if 'you' here WANT TO ACCUSE 'me' of making ASSUMPTIONS, then GO AHEAD and PROVIDE the ACTUAL PROOF of WHERE, EXACTLY, i have, supposedly AND allegedly, made AN ASSUMPTION, and then 'we' CAN LOOK and SEE if 'it' ACTUALLY IS or is ACTUALLY NOT, AN ASSUMPTION AT ALL. But, UNTIL THEN, your ASSUMPTION could be NOTHING AT ALL but just some VIVID IMAGINATION of 'yours'.

Or, do 'you' BELIEVE otherwise?

Ah, well, habits are hard to break it seems for you.

What so-called 'habits' are 'you' REFERRING TO here, EXACTLY?

Most of what 'you' have SAID SO FAR is based on NOTHING AT ALL except your OWN MISINTERPRETATIONS and Wrong and False PRECONCEPTIONS.

It was useful for me to try to bridge, and at the same time I hoped there would be a sign that it would actually be felt into, considered.

"iwannaplato" I HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED most of what 'you' talk about here, LONG BEFORE 'you' wrote it here.

Since he claimed that any problem in the communication was his fault and could not even accept when I took responsibility also.

'you' are USING the Wrong letter AGAIN. So, YES, I DO NOT ACCEPT what could NOT be True.

And, ACCUSING 'me' of NOT accepting some 'thing', which is False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect in the beginning, as though this is Wrong in and of itself, is just PURE ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS, in the extreme.

That in the context of this he might actually try something else, be patient, let his confusion and interest sit for a while, rather than the habitual classify, mock, peck at with questions. To feeeeel something for a while. Let it simmer and stew.

What 'you' are, OBVIOUSLY, MISSING here "iwannaplato" ALREADY KNOW that I can back up and support what I SAY and CLAIM here WITH IRREFUTABLE PROOF.

Also, just because it might take 'Me' LESS than a second or two 'feel' some 'thing', or to 'think' some 'thing' through FULLY, does NOT, and I WILL REPEAT, DOES NOT mean that 'it' has NOT ALREADY what 'you' call 'simmer' and 'stew'.

Just remember NOT EVERY NEEDS days, weeks, NOR months like 'you' OBVIOUSLY DO to 'consider' 'things' through FULLY.

It's disappointing, but not that much.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of the JUDGING adult human being.

What can be CLEARLY SEEN here is this one EXPECTS "others" to BE how 'they' EXPECT 'them' TO BE. And, if 'they' are NOT, then they 'feel' DISAPPOINTMENT.

Do 'you' STILL REALLY BELIEVE "others" TO BE, how 'you' EXPECT 'them' TO BE?

Also, have 'you' NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED that the way 'you', and 'your' generation, in the days when this is being written, are NOT LOOKED AT and TALKED ABOUT as being Truly Wrong and Incorrect in their WAYS of 'thinking' and thus 'behaving' AS WELL?

Could it be A POSSIBILITY that ACTUALLY it is YOUR WAY of 'thinking' AND LOOKING AT 'the world' is ACTUALLY the Wrong WAY? Or, do 'you' BELIEVE that, REALLY, it is 'you' who has NOTHING to CONSIDER and WONDER ABOUT, and to 'think about AT ALL?

Here is A SUGGESTION, how about 'you' pick just ONE thing that I have SAID and WRITTEN, from ANYWHERE throughout this whole forum, and then QUESTION and CHALLENGE 'me' OVER 'it', and then LET 'us' SEE what ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES?

Up 'you' UP TO THIS?

Or, are 'you' completely and utterly INCAPABLE of 'this' ALSO?

You take care, Age.

Are 'you' here suggesting that 'you' WILL RUN AWAY and HIDE, ALSO?

[Age]

And here we go ONCE AGAIN. 'We' have ANOTHER 'poster' making ALLEGATIONS and CLAIMS with absolutely NO PROOF NOR EVIDENCE provided.

You mean like when Age starts addressing one person as 'you humans' and then makes negative comments that way? Sort of like that? And does this several times again even after it was explained this was counterproductive. And in response to a response to Age saying that he had much to learn about communication with humans. Hm.

LOL

'I' can NOT be CLOSED, and this is BECAUSE OF WHO and WHAT 'I' am EXACTLY?

And, 'i' can NOT be a so-called 'closed mind', and, AGAIN, this is BECAUSE OF who and what 'i' am EXACTLY.

What else would a closed mind say.

So many assumptions came back at me. Instead of triangulating by parphrasing, for example, the usual pecking at things with questions. Instead of spending some time - a week, a month - impatience and a mass of new questions, some mocking with LOLs and in other ways mocking.

It seems OK for Age to assume and generalize and judge and not take time to feel into something new or possibly new, but it is not ok for others according to Age.

Ah, well, habits are hard to break it seems for you. It was useful for me to try to bridge, and at the same time I hoped there would be a sign that it would actually be felt into, considered. Since he claimed that any problem in the communication was his fault and could not even accept when I took responsibility also. That in the context of this he might actually try something else, be patient, let his confusion and interest sit for a while, rather than the habitual classify, mock, peck at with questions. To feeeeel something for a while. Let it simmer and stew.

It's disappointing, but not that much.

You take care, Age.

Exactly. Age has as much as admitted to being a bot Perhaps the most advanced bots today are indistinguishable from autistic humans...

Here we have ANOTHER CLAIM and ACCUSATION. Which ,if I EVER DID ask this one to PUT FORTH this ALLEGED and SUPPOSED 'admittance', of mine, as much as to be a 'bot', then this one ALSO would RUN AWAY and HIDE. And, this is just SIMPLY BE FOR THE Fact that I have NEVER EVER DONE ANY such 'thing'.

These peoples ONLY REAL WAY of GARNISHING so-called 'support', for their False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, was by 'trying to' RIDICULE or HUMILIATE 'me' while 'trying to' to get as many "others" to LAUGH AT 'me' as well as ALSO 'trying to' RIDICULE and/or HUMILIATE 'me'.

The ONLY WAY that these people had so-called 'support' was through the NUMBER of people, and NEVER through the ACTUAL USE of the WORDS themselves that they USED. This was BECAUSE the WORDS they USED would just CRUMBLE and FAIL when QUESTIONED ABOUT and CHALLENGED OVER.

This phenomena can be CLEARLY SEEN, OVER and OVER AGAIN and AGAIN, throughout human histories WRITINGS and SPEECHES.

And, VERY SADLY, it was the case that the MORE Wrong the people were the MORE they would 'try to' GAIN 'support' through GARNISHING MORE NUMBERS of people BY RIDICULING and HUMILIATING thee 'one' who WAS ACTUALLY Right, from the beginning. The geocentric BELIEF is but just ONE of probably COUNTLESS MANY OTHER EXAMPLES.

[Age]

Exactly. Age has as much as admitted to being a bot Perhaps the most advanced bots today are indistinguishable from autistic humans...

Asking (too many) questions would be a good bot strategy in a Turing test.

That 'you', adult human beings, have EVEN BEGUN to DOUBT "yourselves" about being ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN "yourselves" AND "robots" just SHOWS how BACKWARDS 'you' are REALLY GOING, in the days when this is being written.

It distracts from any flaws and gaps in knowledge on the bot's part.

If 'you' can, supposedly, SEE and/or KNOW of ANY so-called 'flaws' and 'gaps' in ANY 'things', 'bots' or 'human beings', knowledge, THEN;

1. Copy, say, and/or write down the ACTUAL and ONLY WORDS USED.

2. POINT OUT and SHOW WHERE the supposed and alleged 'flaws' and 'gaps' ARE, EXACTLY.

3. ALLOW 'parties' to INTERACT, and DISCUSS.

4. SEE what UNFOLDS, or TRANSPIRES.

REALLY, how HARD can this REALLY BE?

Taking to 'you', adult human beings, some times is LIKE 'programming' 'robots' HOW to LOOK AT and 'think' ABOUT 'things'.

I would guess that Age is not a bot. Though who the hell knows what levels they've managed in China, say. But botlike, yes. And perhaps for the same reasons.

AGAIN, LET 'us' TALK ABOUT 'it' OR 'them', like 'they' are NOT HERE. And, like 'they' are NOT 'one of us'.

AFTER thousands of years of CONFLICT AND WARS, and HOW they were ALL CAUSED and CREATED FROM an 'us' VERSE 'them' ATTITUDE, then SURELY one would have 'thought' this is NOT the Right WAY to go ABOUT 'things' in Life.

BUT, SOME REALLY DID TAKE A VERY LONG TIME to LEARN, and UNDERSTAND some 'things' in Life.

[commonsense]

Someone is on fire!

[Iwannaplato]

Someone is on fire!

Walker:

Wow. Age is on fire!

Anger can be lovely. And personal. It's like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

[Age]

Someone is on fire!

Walker:

Wow. Age is on fire!

Anger can be lovely. And personal. It's like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

Love can be lovely. And personal. Love is like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

[Iwannaplato]

Someone is on fire!

Walker:

Wow. Age is on fire!

Anger can be lovely. And personal. It's like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

Love can be lovely. And personal. Love is like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

Agreed. Love can be lovely, in fact I would say it always is.

[Age]

Walker:


Anger can be lovely. And personal. It's like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

Love can be lovely. And personal. Love is like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

Agreed. Love can be lovely, in fact I would say it always is.

Okay, so why do you say and claim that 'anger' can be lovely?

[Iwannaplato]

Love can be lovely. And personal. Love is like being manifest, incarnate, real, individual....

Agreed. Love can be lovely, in fact I would say it always is.

Okay, so why do you say and claim that 'anger' can be lovely?

Do you disagree?

Oh, also...I didn't say 'anger' can be lovely. I said anger can be lovely.

[Age]

Agreed. Love can be lovely, in fact I would say it always is.

Okay, so why do you say and claim that 'anger' can be lovely?

Do you disagree?

In regards to what, EXACTLY?

Oh, also...I didn't say 'anger' can be lovely. I said anger can be lovely.

You are correct.

So, why do you say, anger can be lovely?

[Iwannaplato]

In regards to what, EXACTLY?

Do you disagree with the assertion that anger can be lovely?

So, why do you say, anger can be lovely?

Because that is my experience.

[Age]

In regards to what, EXACTLY?

Do you disagree with the assertion that anger can be lovely?

I am trying to work out what you mean by 'anger' here first.

To me 'anger' can be absolutely lovely and absolutely horrible, and anywhere in between. But until I gain CLARITY as to what you are referring to here EXACTLY, I can NOT answer your question here Honestly.

So, why do you say, anger can be lovely?

Because that is my experience.

What does the word 'anger' mean or refer to, to you, EXACTLY?

And, in what experience have you had where 'anger' was 'lovely'?