Some people also enjoy being disgusted at or with others, and things as well. But I am not sure what people enjoy has to do with this. Anyway:
But I did not argue that at all.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:04 amIt's called satire. You argued that there is no empirical evidence that shows God does not exist as thought that made belief in God rational and I was illustrating that belief in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and trolls is just a reasonable if lack of empirical evidence makes them reasonable.Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:51 pmI do not believe in those things.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:10 pm
So you believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and trolls because there is no empirical evidence that shows they do not exist.
Why did you assume I did?
What has this got to do with anything I have said and asking you to clarify?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:04 amWhat's empirical evidence the unicorns, the tooth fairy, and trolls don't exist? So you have not reason to believe they do not exist.
Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Do you believe God does or does not exist?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:04 amProve to whom? I don't believe in anything without evidence.
What are you on about?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:04 amI don't care if you do. I'm only telling you what I believe, and as far as I know, one is free to make any claim they like on this forum without answering to you. Isn't the right?
Therefore, there is the actual reason WHY 'you' believe the very things that you do.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:04 amThat's fine. You do not have to agree with me, and may think whatever you want about my knowledge or lack thereof.Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:51 pm
Well it appears you seem to believe that you have concluded what the one and only actual Truth IS. Although absolutely every thing you just said here is contradictory, absurd, NOT true, and/or just an assumption and/or belief, which is obviously absolutely WRONG.
But you already believe you KNOW what the actual Truth is, so I will just leave you with that. You obviously have no interest in learning and understanding what the actual Truth IS here.Well, "insist," is not quite the right word. I know there is nothing supernatural, and no mystical or spiritual beings, but I do not care what superstitions others want to entertain. Believe whatever you like.Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:37 am
Are you at all aware that what you are saying here is describing 'you' exactly?
'You', "rcsaunders", are the one who believes God does not exist. 'You', "rcsaunders", are absolutely convinced by your very own reasons that this is absolutely true. 'You', "rcsaunders", expect others to believe the same as what you, "rcsaunders", does. I asked 'you', "rcsaunders", to back up and support your belief that God does not exist, 'you', "rcsaunders", even implied that you have the empirical evidence to support your belief here. So, it is up to 'you', "rcsaunders", to define and explain what you mean.
But so far you have not, and appears will not.
I do not insist there is a God. Remember it is 'you', "rcsaunders", who is here insisting that God/s do not exist.I'd be satisfied with a link to that post.Oh yes. Since there is already a perfectly good word for the universe why is another word, "God," needed for the same thing. I certainly believe in the universe and see no reason to call it God, although I did a couple of articles that referred to the universe (or reality) as a metaphorical, "God." ["The Wisdom of Tathagatagarbha" It's satire.]
"Mind," is an attribute of a human being. There are no minds independent of the individual human beings who have minds. There is no more some mystical invisible, "mind," than there is some mystical invisible big toe. If there were no human beings there would be no minds or big toes.Yes! A god is one of a class of imaginary or fictional things, like ghosts, leprechauns, unicorns, the tooth fairy, and trolls, that some people believe in.
Because they BELIEVE some thing.
Even after all this time that I have been in this forum people appear to still have absolutely no clue nor idea in regards to what I have being saying about 'beliefs'.
Just because I do not believe in these things that in a no of itself does not mean that I am believing in some thing else is true.Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:53 amSuch as yourself, below...
Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:51 pmI do not believe in those things.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:10 pm So you believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and trolls because there is no empirical evidence that shows they do not exist.
It all depends on what is being believed.
If you are a 'believer', then you are still a believer.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:02 pmAfter a have my laugh, I give them this link on the logical fallacy, to show that it is impossible to show a negative.Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pmThe so called "evidence" apparently speaks for itself in regards to God not existing, because people are not able to provide any, even though they very strongly implied that there is actual evidence.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:03 pm
Why? Does the evidence not speak for itself? Just kidding.
Do you also laugh when believers talk of no evidence, when their own definition of 'whatever' says that there is evidence?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:03 pm I laugh when believers talk of evidence, when their own biblical definition of faith says that there is no evidence.
Regards
DL
By the way, it could be said that I just laugh at 'believers', full stop, and/or non stop. 'you', so called "greatest I am", appear to be a very strong 'believer', correct?
I was unaware that there was a specific biblical definition of faith that says there is no evidence. Could you link us to this, as this will come in very handy in showing and providing more and further proof.
To prove that a god does not exist, one would have to be able to look at all places in the universe at a given time.
That pesky god moves and you have to catch him on the run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyA8cIzosFU
Negatives can never be proven. Only positive claims can be.
It is to the one who cries wolf, to show the track and scat.
It is not to the other to prove that the wolf was never there.
Regards
DL
Is that why you are not moral?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:16 pm"They"; are those who lie and say they have faith or belief. If it were true, they could demonstrate really keen powers. Levitation, etc.Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:12 pmWhat did "jesus" say 'they' can do?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:21 pm
No argument on this.
When thy push their faith and belief, I being a mean S O B, tell them to prove they have it by doing what Jesus says they can in scriptures. All he did and more.
Where exactly did you get this knowledge from?
And, who is 'they'?
I do not see anyone floating about.
The only place with any writings of a Jesus/Yahweh combo is in the myth called the bible.
Even the good stuff, but mostly immoral tenets that Christians always run away from.
A shame that, given that those are what I like to chat on.
Good Christian apologetics is just about dead. They do not have a moral pot to p in and leave skid marks all over the place as they spin away.
Cowards can never be moral.
Regards
DL
Age...all of your word games, where you apply certain words (such as beliefs and assumptions) to people OTHER THAN yourself, while making your claims and assumptions that reveal beliefs behind them, is too dishonest and delusional to interact with. Trying to present yourself as so distinctly different may be convincing to you, but your claims reveal a great deal regardless of how you insist that people don't understand what you're really saying. Everybody other than yourself is not inept. Whatever awareness you think you have appears to be convoluted by the beliefs and assumptions you keep denying that you have. So it's just a big lie that you challenge people to crack.Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:29 pmYes and no.
See it all depends on what you actually mean by that question, what I have actually said, and/or if you truly want to understand.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:37 amplease, show me your God - before my eyes as "i am" then i'll convert.
until then you are all wet.
per Humanity/history of..........there are thousands of Gods.
and none - none that are not fools - claimed to know the mind of the gods (to know the mind of the gods means you have to be a god yourself).
You must be god to know God.
YHWH is the mind of the God you know i assume?
even if Baal is the one true God and not your YHWH?
or maybe the Assyrian's had the knowledge of the one/several True Gods? or the Aztecs? instead.
and your YHWH is just in your imagination - Baal being the True God - killed off via the Israeli conquest of the near east following a false god..................the true God lost forever with the death of last Caanite 1600 yrs ago.
bullshit
I suggest that if you want to make claims, especially allegations about "another", then you at least have some supporting evidence to back up your claims and allegations. So, what is your supporting evidence for your claim and allegation that I have assumptions and beliefs.Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:48 pmAge...all of your word games, where you apply certain words (such as beliefs and assumptions) to people OTHER THAN yourself, while making your claims and assumptions that reveal beliefs behind them, is too dishonest and delusional to interact with.
If this is what you see and believe is true, then this is only what you will see, and conclude.Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:48 pm Trying to present yourself as so distinctly different may be convincing to you, but your claims reveal a great deal regardless of how you insist that people don't understand what you're really saying. Everybody other than yourself is not inept. Whatever awareness you think you have appears to be convoluted by the beliefs and assumptions you keep denying that you have. So it's just a big lie that you challenge people to crack.
I responded to them. Obviously, just not in the way you liked nor hoped. See, your words were asked from a presumptive perspective, so my responses/answers were not of your wanting.
If you call what I did "dancing", then that is okay with me. I call that gauging how much one wants to clarify thy self.
I answered your simple clarifying question with the very simple clarifying answer "Yes and no".
If that is what you see and believe is true, then that is what you will continue to see, and conclude. Some might also say that that may well be also just some sort of 'self-reflection'.
This does not narrow it down nor clarify any thing. But if this is all that you have got, then so be it.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:57 pmSomewhere, in the infinite fold universe.
A place of pain, disgust, etc.
I am being quoted in this, but most of what is quoted to me, is not what I said. If any of this was in response to what I said, then it will need to be fixed up and quoted correctly, before I would know how to reply properly.gaffo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:03 pmAge wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:37 amplease, show me your God - before my eyes as "i am" then i'll convert.
until then you are all wet.
per Humanity/history of..........there are thousands of Gods.
and none - none that are not fools - claimed to know the mind of the gods (to know the mind of the gods means you have to be a god yourself).
You must be god to know God.
YHWH is the mind of the God you know i assume?
even if Baal is the one true God and not your YHWH?
or maybe the Assyrian's had the knowledge of the one/several True Gods? or the Aztecs? instead.
and your YHWH is just in your imagination - Baal being the True God - killed off via the Israeli conquest of the near east following a false god..................the true God lost forever with the death of last Caanite 1600 yrs ago.
bullshit
It depends on which version of Jesus you are looking at.Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:52 pmI wonder if Jesus partook of mushrooms?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:41 pm Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
Yes.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:28 pmI am a mind. Pure and simple. I know, I have arguments for my proposals in any discussion. I have experienced stuff that leads me to deduce the existence of you and others. The reality is a game between minds. Those who know the rules know how to manipulate you unless you are a member of them. Are you a member of The Highest that imposes laws?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:41 pmGnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
You are a poor boy buddy.
Regards
DL