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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:08 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:04 am
Yes, but its all....conceptual mental imagery - pure emptiness at its core...appearing full, as seen by that which can never be seen or known...for it is the seeing /knowing.
Leave the "knowing" part out for now.
Is the memory of past-self the same or different from a photograph?
How is it the same? How is it different?
I think it is similar in some ways and different in others. For me - the images in my mind are not as vivid as the images on a photo. On the other hand - a photo is still and memories are not.
But we could use a video as an example instead of a photo. Videos are vivid AND dynamic. Much more vivid than my own memories!
But videos do not contain the emotion/feeling that I EXPERIENCED while the video was filmed. And so videos are better than memories of self in some way, and worse in others.
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:20 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:08 am
Is the memory of past-self the same or different from a photograph?
How is it the same? How is it different?
I think it is similar in some ways and different in others. For me - the images in my mind are not as vivid as the images on a photo. On the other hand - a photo is still and memories are not.
But we could use a video as an example instead of a photo. Videos are vivid AND dynamic. Much more vivid than my own memories!
But videos do not contain the emotion/feeling that I EXPERIENCED while the video was filmed. And so videos are better than memories of self in some way, and worse in others.
Try not to think about what is self...by using knowledge, knowledge is not the real actual self.
There is no self in the past or future or presence.Direct experience, or experience, is the only thing that the present moment brings to us. The thought of 'me' within this immediate moment is an overlay upon it, not real...the real is behind the overlay.
The now is all that's real, now is this actual direct experience of being no one. There is no-place or anywhere in the world of concepts where consciousness is occuring/happening.
Direct Experience is Actuality manifesting right now without ''thinking'' about it.
It's all Source Energy and direct manifestation. You're actually manifesting directly right now.
You are not in an image, video, photo,brain or a body...except as conceived in this conceptional fiction.
Fiction is always of past tense, in memory which is dead. Awakeness is this alive present now that is the only actual real there is,was and ever will be infinitely.
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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:26 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:20 am
Try not to think about what is self...by using knowledge, knowledge is not the real actual self.
There is no self in the past or future or presence.Direct experience, or experience, is the only thing that the present moment brings to us. The thought of 'me' within this immediate moment is an overlay upon it, not real...the real is behind the overlay.
The now is all that's real, now is this actual direct experience of being no one. There is no-place or anywhere in the world of concepts where consciousness is occuring/happening.
Direct Experience is Actuality manifesting right now without ''thinking'' about it.
It's all Source Energy and direct manifestation. You're actually manifesting directly right now.
You are not in an image, video, photo,brain or a body...except as conceived in this conceptional fiction.
Fiction is always of past tense, in memory which is dead. Awakeness is this alive present now that is the only actual real there is,was and ever will be infinitely.
OK, I agree about that conception of the present, but it is incomplete and insufficient.
My past is relevant. The MEMORY of me burning myself on the stove as a 5 year old may not be 'real' in the present moment, but that "non-real" memory is the very reason WHY I don't put my hand on hot stoves 30 years later.
To deny your past as 'real' is to deny learning from your past mistakes!
Also, where does the "present moment" begin and end? 1 second ago? 5 seconds ago? 5 minutes ago? If the past is not real then the word 'also' at the beginning of this sentence (which you read 5 seconds ago) is no longer real. So how are you reading this sentence if the word before this one is no longer real?
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:51 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:26 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:20 am
Try not to think about what is self...by using knowledge, knowledge is not the real actual self.
There is no self in the past or future or presence.Direct experience, or experience, is the only thing that the present moment brings to us. The thought of 'me' within this immediate moment is an overlay upon it, not real...the real is behind the overlay.
The now is all that's real, now is this actual direct experience of being no one. There is no-place or anywhere in the world of concepts where consciousness is occuring/happening.
Direct Experience is Actuality manifesting right now without ''thinking'' about it.
It's all Source Energy and direct manifestation. You're actually manifesting directly right now.
You are not in an image, video, photo,brain or a body...except as conceived in this conceptional fiction.
Fiction is always of past tense, in memory which is dead. Awakeness is this alive present now that is the only actual real there is,was and ever will be infinitely.
OK, I agree about that conception of the present, but it is incomplete and insufficient.
My past is relevant. The MEMORY of me burning myself on the stove as a 5 year old may not be 'real' in the present moment, but that "non-real" memory is the very reason WHY I don't put my hand on hot stoves 30 years later.
To deny your past as 'real' is to deny learning from your past mistakes!
Also, where does the "present moment" begin and end? 1 second ago? 5 seconds ago? 5 minutes ago? If the past is not real then the word 'also' at the beginning of this sentence (which you read 5 seconds ago) is no longer real. So how are you reading this sentence if the word before this one is no longer real?
Now your just getting into mental masturbation with yourself...like I keep saying you have to figure out and answer all your own questions ..really you do, only you can do it, no one can answer what are only your own questions to yourself...if you have forgotten some thing you want to remember, then by all means refer back to past tense, of memory, which will give you the illusory continuity of yourself as existing now in the present moment...albeit only as a memory.
Memory is everywhere, its all appearances - imaged everyhwere all around you in everything that you can see imprinted within the seen all except what is actually directly seeing. ...and that one cannot be found in another...that's in YOU ONLY
You are only ever communicating and talking and seeing yourself everywhere. Your head is an empty mirror ball and the world is your reflection.
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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:57 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:51 am
Now your just getting into mental masturbation with yourself...like I keep saying you have to figure out and answer all your own questions ..really you do, only you can do it, no one can answer what are only your own questions to yourself...
I have my own answers to these questions. I am interested in your answers to my questions.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:51 am
if you have forgotten some thing you want to remember,
How do you remember something you've forgotten?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:51 am
then by all means refer back to past tense, of memory, which will give you the illusory continuity of yourself as existing now in the present moment...albeit only as a memory.
You are avoiding the question.
Do the "non-real" memories of past-self (burning yourself on the stove) affect the DECISION of your present (real) self?
e.g do you CHOOSE to
remember that it hurts or do you CHOOSE to
forget that it hurts?
Do you put your hand on the hot stove or not?
It is a yes/no question, so please don't get into a "verbal masturbation with yourself".
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:03 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:57 am
It is a yes/no question, so please don't get into a "verbal masturbation with yourself".
Who are you talking to but an imagined image within your own mind.
The truth is within you not me.
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You've created me, without you there is no me, without me there is no you..any creation is dual dependant.
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:05 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:03 am
Who are you talking to but an imagined image within your own mind.
The truth is within you not me.
Yes. I am asking you to
communicate your truth to me.
Would you put your hand on a hot stove?
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:08 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:05 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:03 am
Who are you talking to but an imagined image within your own mind.
The truth is within you not me.
Yes. I am asking you to
communicate your truth to me.
Would you put your hand on a hot stove?
I don't have the truth, I am the truth, only you can answer your own question, for a question can only arise to the sense of a spearate self.
Where is that separate self is what you should be investigating, not what you think I know, since I is your own creation anyway, so ask that one?
Who is it that moves their hand from a hot stove...see if you can find that one?
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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:11 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:08 am
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:05 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:03 am
Who are you talking to but an imagined image within your own mind.
The truth is within you not me.
Yes. I am asking you to
communicate your truth to me.
Would you put your hand on a hot stove?
I don't have the truth, I am the truth, only you can answer your own question, for a question can only arise to the sense of a spearate self.
Where is that separate self is what you should be investigating, not what you think I know, since I is your own creation anyway, so ask that one?
I agree.
I don’t think I know anything. I know I know nothing. Which is why I am trying to LEARN something about you.
I am trying to learn if you would put your hand on a hot stove. Can you communicate that to me?
I know I wouldn’t! Because I did it when I was 5 and it was painful!
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:49 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:11 am
I am trying to learn if you would put your hand on a hot stove?
I know I wouldn’t! Because I did it when I was 5 and it was painful!
When hand contact is made with another surface..in this case a hot stove...this triggers an automatic re-sponsive re-active event ..and in that moment awareness comes online, a sense of ''separate self'' to whom the pain was felt, is born in that re-action...but because it was a re-action, not this actual direct unitary action... that sense of a ''separate self''.. gives the illusion of a ''you'' being born right there in that moment(albeit illusory, since its just an artificially created entity that does not exist, except as the mind identifies with the event as happening to it)...otherwise there is no ''you self'' there...there is just life living itself on automatic pilot...like what is happening to no one in deep dreamless sleep.
When latent awareness (the real you) knows sensation (on contact with a surface aka as and through the mind coming online with itself) The fictional you...aka Consciousness is born.(knowledge) which is then archived away to memory to be used on demand ..so that the event is learnt and remembered to be never repeated. It's a programme design factored in by nature itself in its wisdom and love and care for itself an aspect of its infinite intelligence.
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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:50 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:49 am
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:11 am
I am trying to learn if you would put your hand on a hot stove?
I know I wouldn’t! Because I did it when I was 5 and it was painful!
When hand contact is made with another surface..in this case a hot stove...this triggers an automatic re-sponsive re-active event ..and in that moment awareness comes online, a sense of ''separate self'' to whom the pain was felt, is born in that re-action...but because it was a re-action, not this actual direct unitary action... that sense of a ''separate self''.. gives the illusion of a ''you'' being born right there in that moment(albeit illusory, since its just an artificially created entity that does not exist, except as the mind identifies with the event as happening to it)...otherwise there is no ''you self'' there...there is just life living itself on automatic pilot...like what is happening to no one in deep dreamless sleep.
When latent awareness (the real you) knows sensation (on contact with a surface aka as and through the mind coming online with itself) The fictional you...aka Consciousness is born.(knowledge) which is then archived away to memory to be used on demand ..so that the event is learnt and remembered to be never repeated. It's a programme design factored in by nature itself in its wisdom and love and care for itself an aspect of its infinite intelligence.
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Now look who is engaging in masturbation with themselves.
I asked you a yes or no question!
Because if “nature” was so wise and intelligent ten why did it allow me to put my hand on the stove the first time? Why do I have to learn the same lessons over and over as my parents and my grandparents and their great-grand parents?
Why can’t my “acquired knowledge” be passed onto my offspring?
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:54 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:50 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:49 am
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:11 am
I am trying to learn if you would put your hand on a hot stove?
I know I wouldn’t! Because I did it when I was 5 and it was painful!
When hand contact is made with another surface..in this case a hot stove...this triggers an automatic re-sponsive re-active event ..and in that moment awareness comes online, a sense of ''separate self'' to whom the pain was felt, is born in that re-action...but because it was a re-action, not this actual direct unitary action... that sense of a ''separate self''.. gives the illusion of a ''you'' being born right there in that moment(albeit illusory, since its just an artificially created entity that does not exist, except as the mind identifies with the event as happening to it)...otherwise there is no ''you self'' there...there is just life living itself on automatic pilot...like what is happening to no one in deep dreamless sleep.
When latent awareness (the real you) knows sensation (on contact with a surface aka as and through the mind coming online with itself) The fictional you...aka Consciousness is born.(knowledge) which is then archived away to memory to be used on demand ..so that the event is learnt and remembered to be never repeated. It's a programme design factored in by nature itself in its wisdom and love and care for itself an aspect of its infinite intelligence.
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Now look who is engaging in verbal mastuebation.
It is a yes or no question!
Questions and Answers is mental masturabation...best just to give them a wide berth and keep quiet.
But then a still mind is like a still wind, and that wind just wants out, it wants to be free, just like everything else.
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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:56 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:54 am
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:50 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:49 am
When hand contact is made with another surface..in this case a hot stove...this triggers an automatic re-sponsive re-active event ..and in that moment awareness comes online, a sense of ''separate self'' to whom the pain was felt, is born in that re-action...but because it was a re-action, not this actual direct unitary action... that sense of a ''separate self''.. gives the illusion of a ''you'' being born right there in that moment(albeit illusory, since its just an artificially created entity that does not exist, except as the mind identifies with the event as happening to it)...otherwise there is no ''you self'' there...there is just life living itself on automatic pilot...like what is happening to no one in deep dreamless sleep.
When latent awareness (the real you) knows sensation (on contact with a surface aka as and through the mind coming online with itself) The fictional you...aka Consciousness is born.(knowledge) which is then archived away to memory to be used on demand ..so that the event is learnt and remembered to be never repeated. It's a programme design factored in by nature itself in its wisdom and love and care for itself an aspect of its infinite intelligence.
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Now look who is engaging in verbal mastuebation.
It is a yes or no question!
Questions and Answers is mental masturabation...best just to give them a wide berth and keep quiet.
But then a still mind is like a still wind, and that wind just wants out, it wants to be free, just like everything else.
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Questions and answer is how real-world decision making works.
A still mind facing an oncoming truck is going to be “free” very soon if it doesn’t ask&answer the qaueation: “should I get out of the way of this truck?”
So I guess “metal masturbation” is useful for your survival, huh?
Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:00 am
by Dontaskme
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:56 am
A still mind facing an oncoming truck is going to be “free” very soon if it doesn’t DECIDE to get out of the way...
The fear of what cannot be known is an irrational fear until it is seen by auspicious seeing that no one ever died, so nothing to fear but fear itself.
You have never known death, its a concept. Life does not commit suicide, all dying is natural rebirth. Can't have one without the other.
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Re: How to Achieve Non-Dualism Intellectually?
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:01 am
by TimeSeeker
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:00 am
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:56 am
A still mind facing an oncoming truck is going to be “free” very soon if it doesn’t DECIDE to get out of the way...
The fear of what cannot be known is an irrational fear until it is seen by auspicious seeing that no one ever died, so nothing to fear but fear itself.
You have never known death, its a concept. Life does not commit suicide, all dying is natural rebirth. Can't have one without the other.
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So you don’t give way to trucks when crossing the street?
“Intelligent Nature” has a way of removing such stupid from the gene pool
