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bahman wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 6:40 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:32 pm I don't understand the "attack/war mentality" -- I think it must be a primitive form of insanity or stupidity. I can appreciate "sparring" for the purpose of increasing awareness and agility, but attacks that are meant for the sole purpose of destroying another and everything associated with them seems like a form of blind fury, lacking broader awareness.

Does waging war truly RESOLVE anything? (I'm not talking about the profitability associated with it.)

Can being SMARTER be more effective than using brute force?

Why do so many men like war so much? Is it because they're not smart enough to figure out anything else? Do they instead measure their "intelligence" by the size of their weapons?

And while we're at it, why do so many men attack with their penis? How is it that they can rationalize doing such a thing? Doesn't it sound ridiculously stupid? I can't imagine ever attacking anyone with my boobs.

I look forward to all responses...

Perhaps We didn't develop/evolve enough. We are not teaching good things to our children. Geopolitics. Why we should have such a mentality? We are either misled by Satan or are very stupid.

How can we teach what we are incapable of? By our actions and collective values we teach that prestige and self importance are the primary driving motives for human actions once essential human needs are met. Since we are as we are, everything is as it is. Why should anything change? Just fight for prestige and the rest will take care of itself.

War... what is it good for?

Well, there is one quite unusual angle that could explain why it exists (because there is no logic reasonable).

What if our world was a computer simulation? Then war would be entertainment to those who created it.

Think about that next time you play World of Warcraft, Call of Duty or Counter Strike!

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:40 pm How can we teach what we are incapable of?

You can only speak of YOUR OWN incapabilities. There are a lot of people capable of much more than you.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:40 pm By our actions and collective values we teach that prestige and self importance are the primary driving motives for human actions once essential human needs are met.

It depends on who the teachers are. You need to get out more.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:40 pm Since we are as we are, everything is as it is.

We and everything are continually evolving... except for the content of your posts on this forum.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:40 pm Why should anything change?

Because it CAN. Because there's always MORE to discover and try! There's always MORE that we can be. LIFE, like a flowing river, naturally seeks out all of the paths and possibilities to flow into. Humans have demonstrated magnificent potential in ALL DIRECTIONS. Your FOCUS reveals more about you.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:40 pm Just fight for prestige and the rest will take care of itself.

Ohhh the wretchedness! Seriously... you are unable/uninterested to see anything else?? That's really weird, Nick.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:12 pm being smarter gave us the atom bomb

party time

-Imp

Nope

PhilX

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 3:44 pm Without action, intelligence may as well not exist.

Does it seem to you that there is only one path or kind of action?

Do you think that force/acquisition is greater and more desirable than cooperation/balance?

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 3:44 pm When intelligence does exist as action, peace through strength is the result.
The message of peace through strength is, you touch me, I smash you.

So, you're speaking with the attack/war mentality, even as you speak of peace. Does this mean you see it as inevitable?

You’re referencing strife through strength.

Peace through strength is different.
It uses strength as a deterrent to war, not as a contest to win.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:43 am You’re referencing strife through strength.

I don't know what you're talking about.

You don't answer questions that are put to you (in response to what you say), so I'm not interested in what else you have to say.

War is started by empire building countries and escalated by defenders. War is also started by countries making provocations until one country commits an act of war.


A balance of power is a deterrent for war.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 4:57 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 3:43 am You’re referencing strife through strength.

I don't know what you're talking about.

You don't answer questions that are put to you (in response to what you say), so I'm not interested in what else you have to say.

If you're gonna get prissy, don't truncate quotes.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 3:44 pm Without action, intelligence may as well not exist.

Does it seem to you that there is only one path or kind of action?
- In regards to peace between nations, and also internally, actions of power bring peace while actions of weakness bring war.

Do you think that force/acquisition is greater and more desirable than cooperation/balance?
Cooperation/balance is predicated on strength, not weakness. India had its spice strength, China its tea strength, Sugarland its sugar strength, the American south its cotton and tebaccy strength.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 3:44 pm When intelligence does exist as action, peace through strength is the result.
The message of peace through strength is, you touch me, I smash you.

So, you're speaking with the attack/war mentality, even as you speak of peace. Does this mean you see it as inevitable?

You’re referencing strife through strength.

Peace through strength is different.
It uses strength as a deterrent to war, not as a contest.

What is inevitable is peace through strength, and then war.

Physics and chemistry explain the why of this inevitability in terms of inertia, balance, and entropy.
Reality explains it in terms of, the pendulum swings.

As a principle, war begins within.
War is conflict.
No conflict, no war.
No internal conflict, no internal war.
The absence of internal conflict indicates peace of mind.
This peace of mind is independent of circumstances.
With this peace of mind, spontaneous ahimsa is the dividing line between good and evil, between human life and savage innocence of a wild animal.

Lacewing

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 9:40 pm
Why should anything change?

Because it CAN. Because there's always MORE to discover and try! There's always MORE that we can be. LIFE, like a flowing river, naturally seeks out all of the paths and possibilities to flow into. Humans have demonstrated magnificent potential in ALL DIRECTIONS. Your FOCUS reveals more about you.

You live in La La Land and believe a leopard can change its spots because of the new things it does. Regardless of where it goes and what it experiences it is still a leopard and exhibit the same qualities of a leopard. Of course it can be sedated, put in zoos and have its pursuit of life dulled but it is still a leopard. Conditioning doesn't change it.

Man unlike the leopard can change what he is through consciousness. Man can change from an animal living by mechanical reaction into a conscious being capable of conscious action reflecting a conscious perspective. Of course the indoctrinated secular world opposes this transformation as it must to preserve the imagination it lives by. But this doesn't deny the potential which some individuals can actualize.

War is just a lawful mechanical reaction to the progressions of universal laws. The only means of minimizing this reaction is through conscious action the secular world must reject. So since we are as we are everything will continue as is including cyclical wars with bombs, guns, knives, computers, or whatever else is fashionable at the time..

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 10:24 am If you're gonna get prissy, don't truncate quotes.

Questioning each of your complete sentences somehow compromises your message? Uh no, it made no difference. You could have easily answered my questions, as you THEN went on to do.

So, after being a big baby, you evolved to say this:

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 10:27 am As a principle, war begins within.
War is conflict.
No conflict, no war.
No internal conflict, no internal war.
The absence of internal conflict indicates peace of mind.
This peace of mind is independent of circumstances.
With this peace of mind, spontaneous ahimsa is the dividing line between good and evil, between human life and savage innocence of a wild animal.

Yes. Peace of mind is independent of circumstances! I'm adding: Broader awareness can evaporate conflict because it sees a bigger picture, along with more potential. I'm questioning why mankind is so primitively intoxicated with a small-minded attack/war mentality. If we think we're so evolved, let's ask such questions instead of only defending and reinforcing how we've been or how we are.

War = stupid. ...And attacking with a penis = stupid.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 2:58 pm You live in La La Land and believe a leopard can change its spots because of the new things it does.

Man unlike the leopard can change what he is through consciousness.

Do you have any self-awareness at all? TRY REALLY HARD to notice how you accuse me of something so limited and ridiculous, only to immediately reinforce what I said while pretending that you're telling me something new... AND while trying (unsuccessfully) to defend your previous stupid-ass statement "Why should anything change?"

If you really think that nothing can change, then why the fuck do you keep preaching? I'll tell you why... because it's ALL FOR YOU! You are PLEASING YOURSELF with your sermons.

So in one breath you'll say that MAN MUST CHANGE... and in another breath you'll say that MAN CAN'T CHANGE. Fuck you, Nick. I'm so disgusted by your dishonesty and wavering position to please yourself. GO DO THAT IN PRIVATE!!!

QuantumT wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 11:27 pm War... what is it good for?

Well, there is one quite unusual angle that could explain why it exists (because there is no logic reasonable).

What if our world was a computer simulation? Then war would be entertainment to those who created it.

Think about that next time you play World of Warcraft, Call of Duty or Counter Strike!

training soldiers?

no way... headshot!

-Imp

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 4:40 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 2:58 pm You live in La La Land and believe a leopard can change its spots because of the new things it does.

Man unlike the leopard can change what he is through consciousness.

Do you have any self-awareness at all? TRY REALLY HARD to notice how you accuse me of something so limited and ridiculous, only to immediately reinforce what I said while pretending that you're telling me something new... AND while trying (unsuccessfully) to defend your previous stupid-ass statement "Why should anything change?"

If you really think that nothing can change, then why the fuck do you keep preaching? I'll tell you why... because it's ALL FOR YOU! You are PLEASING YOURSELF with your sermons.

So in one breath you'll say that MAN MUST CHANGE... and in another breath you'll say that MAN CAN'T CHANGE. Fuck you, Nick. I'm so disgusted by your dishonesty and wavering position to please yourself. GO DO THAT IN PRIVATE!!!

prelude to war?

-Imp

Lacewing

So in one breath you'll say that MAN MUST CHANGE... and in another breath you'll say that MAN CAN'T CHANGE. Fuck you, Nick. I'm so disgusted by your dishonesty and wavering position to please yourself. GO DO THAT IN PRIVATE!!!

Regardless of FU's the ancient idea I propose which is the essence of Christinaity remains. Organic life on earth with the exception of Man cannot change what what it does. Natural Man on the earth as a whole is a distinct quality of being and all our reactions will be normal for this quality of being. Even theough Man as a whole cannot change what we do and will continue to follow the great cycles of nature's laws, we can change what we ARE through conscious evolution.

Our being as it is cannot change. We are a creature of reaction and only capable of ADAPTATION to cycles of external change. However Man through conscious EVOLUTION can change what we ARE.

You can hate and reject this idea with all your might as it pertains to the cycles of war and peace but it is still there and is a principle which has transformed lives regardless of how it is hated.