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Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:04 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:02 pm 3. The True Self is saying absolutely 100% True and Right things all the time. "we', unfortunately, block this out with our unnecessary assumptions, beliefs, et cetera. So, the True Self can and does communicate through ALL human bodies, that is; when what is being expressed through human bodies is True and Right.

Thank you

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:01 pm

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:59 pm Don't you want to know if you have made an error?

I probably haven't

We will now wait for Atla to explain to us how "Absolutely 100% True and Right probabilities" work.

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:03 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:01 pm I probably haven't,

So that's 1 in how many that you have?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:01 pm and what is it to you?

To me? Absolutely nothing!

That you neither care nor want to prove yourself wrong tells me everything I need or want to know about you.

You are not a scientist.

Or maybe I just don't value your input/lies

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:55 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:53 pm So now, you are basically saying that self driving cars drive themselves because they have ''the universe''

What? lol.

No. I ASSUMED that you held the belief that humans have consciousness.
From there I simply inferred that IF we build a machine that behaves like a human would be a replication of consciousness.

What?

Where have I stated that I believe humans have consciousness?

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Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:07 pm Or maybe I just don't value your input/lies

You don't have to value my input. You just need to introspect on it.

To put it in simple terms: You need to put your feelings aside and DO SCIENCE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:07 pm Where have I stated that I believe humans have consciousness?

*sigh*
You didn't.

That is what I ASSUMED. BEFORE you clarified. Hence the misunderstanding.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:07 am

AlexW wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:50 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:24 am No, he literally seems to believe that when he is using the word "i", "he" the human being is talking. And when the word "I" is used, the True Self is saying absolutely 100% true, right things (communicating through his human body i guess). He thinks that's how we all function and everyone else is insane for not realizing this, even though he spends his days trying to teach it to us.

Haha... if this is true then its really funny!

It's hilarious at first but it can easily wreck one's life..

In my last post I forgot to clarify by asking; What do you think/believe that i think exactly is how all human beings function? I think you have no really idea what i think in regards to this yet.

When, and if, you clarify, then we can see.

By the way you have done well to distinguish the i from the I, as no one else has made mention of it yet.

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:09 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:07 pm Where have I stated that I believe humans have consciousness?

*sigh*
You didn't.

That is what I ASSUMED. BEFORE you clarified. Hence the misunderstanding.

So then are we in agreement that consciousness cannot be replicated?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:12 pm So then are we in agreement that consciousness cannot be replicated?

Nope. As I explained to you.

IF the universe is consciousness. Then replicating the universe is the same as replicating consciousness.

So IF we can invent a machine to which we can connect your brain (e.g like The Matrix)
And IF you are unable to tell the difference between the "real world" and "the matrix"

Then we have replicated the universe. e.g we have replicated consciousness.

If you can't tell the difference - there is no differrence.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:13 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:24 am

AlexW wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:17 am
Maybe I do... sorry if I couldn't remember.


Agree.

The "meaningful sense of the word" only arises from the identification with a separate doer (even he/she doesn't even truly exist)


Yes, didn't mean to interrupt your discussion. I don't think Age thinks the Self is a giant being (Age, correct me if I am wrong), its simply the way Age communicates that is unusual (guess it's not really possible to speak/write AS the True Self without coming across as a lunatic )

No, he literally seems to believe that when he is using the word "i", "he" the human being is talking. And when the word "I" is used, the True Self is saying absolutely 100% true, right things (communicating through his human body i guess). He thinks that's how we all function and everyone else is insane for not realizing this, even though he spends his days trying to teach it to us.

Leave Ken alone, he is what he is, doing the best he can, and that will never change. You have no right to judge him harshly, stop being spiteful and mean spirited just to make yourself look more superior. You once said to me to forget it that I will never get it..oh really? what the heck would you know about that? are you God speaking now?

Relative verbal expression of the ineffable Absolute...is absurd, don't blame the person ..clownshoe!...seems you revel in having a cheap laugh at another persons expense, and this just about sums you up...your the clownshoe here, no one else.

Yeah this is really hilarious isn't it, really funny...no it's NOT!!! Such is the nature of conceptual expression. All thinking and talking functions within the pairs of opposites. It is all 'wrong' and it is all 'fun' and perfect as it is.

Let it be, this is not a bitching contest.

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Just to make it clear I do NOT take any offence nor see any thing wrong with any one's perspective of what is happening here. No matter what any one says about me, that is perfectly fine and normal. Truly nothing said worries nor concerns me.

Also in my last posts in relation to what atla has said here, I forgot to mention that when the 'I' word is used in my posts that does NOT mean that the True Self is saying absolutely 100% True and Right things AT ALL. That is only your ASSUMPTION atla, which IS WRONG.

The Truth is the True Self is made up of absolutely EVERY thing and WHEN some thing is said that is agreed upon and accepted as absolutely 100% True and Right, then that IS thee True Self, Itself. Only WHEN 100% agreement is made with and for ALL things, then 'THAT' which is in agreement is WHEN the Truth is KNOWN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:12 pm So then are we in agreement that consciousness cannot be replicated?

Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

This IS the brain-in-a-vat experiment. Only you don't have to be inside a real vat. You have to be inside a metaphorical vat.
You are trapped inside your own limited understanding/knowledge of reality.

So it is of vital importance to learn how NOT to fool yourself and fall into circularities.

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:17 pm Nope. As consciousness has explained to consciousness.

IF the consciousness is consciousness. Then replicating the consciousness is the same as replicating consciousness.

So IF consciousness can invent a machine to which consciousness can connect consciousness (e.g like The Matrix)
And IF consciousness is unable to tell the difference between the "real world" and "the matrix"

Then consciousness has replicated consciousness e.g consciousness has replicated consciousness.

If consciousness can't tell the difference - there is no differrence.

Which means there is no replication there at all, it was purely illusional, because it's only consciousness replicating itself which is just more of itself, more consciousness, it's still all the same one consciousness apparently replicating itself, out of itself from itself as there is no other consciousness but consciousness. All the same one consciousness dreaming difference where there is none.

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Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:22 pm
So it is of vital importance to learn how NOT to fool yourself and fall into circularities.

You are the circle.

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Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:43 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:13 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:24 am
No, he literally seems to believe that when he is using the word "i", "he" the human being is talking. And when the word "I" is used, the True Self is saying absolutely 100% true, right things (communicating through his human body i guess). He thinks that's how we all function and everyone else is insane for not realizing this, even though he spends his days trying to teach it to us.

Leave Ken alone, he is what he is, doing the best he can, and that will never change. You have no right to judge him harshly, stop being spiteful and mean spirited just to make yourself look more superior. You once said to me to forget it that I will never get it..oh really? what the heck would you know about that? are you God speaking now?

Relative verbal expression of the ineffable Absolute...is absurd, don't blame the person ..clownshoe!...seems you revel in having a cheap laugh at another persons expense, and this just about sums you up...your the clownshoe here, no one else.

Yeah this is really hilarious isn't it, really funny...no it's NOT!!! Such is the nature of conceptual expression. All thinking and talking functions within the pairs of opposites. It is all 'wrong' and it is all 'fun' and perfect as it is.

Let it be, this is not a bitching contest.

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You are the mean spirited here, instead of trying to help him, you want him to remain screwed up for the rest of his life. Why are you so malignant?

I would NOT be "so concerned" about me atla. The more I am observing and witnessing, especially from one's like yourself, the more things are being verified, and this is helping me to communicate better. Unlike "you" where you found yourself getting more and more in delusion in what you were looking for and thinking you were finding the more I am learning in regards to being able to communicate what was, completely unintentionally, discovered and found. Unlike "you" I did not become screwed up and wrecked. I became better and healed. Although through your comments you would love to see me screwed and wrecked, this just is NOT happening. You really do need to stop BELIEVING that i was any sort of path that you were once on.

Please keep up ALL of your views, judgement, and comments regarding me and my writings. They are far more helpful, than any hindrance at all, to me.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:27 pm You are the circle.

You may be - I am not.

I avoid circularities like the plague.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:26 pm Which means there is no replication there at all, it was purely illusional, because it's only consciousness replicating itself which is just more of itself, more consciousness, it's still all the same one consciousness apparently replicating itself, out of itself from itself as there is no other consciousness but consciousness. All the same one consciousness dreaming difference where there is none.

blah blah blah.

if you can't tell the difrerence between consciousness and illusion..... Who cares what you call it?

If you can't tell the difference between there being a difference and there not being a difference.

You are stuck.