Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

[Atla]

Then why have you collected evidence for an unfalsifiable hypothesis?
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I told you from the start, I haven't seen your kind of insanity before, or not often. It's rare that I see something new and can increase my knowledge of the human brain/mind.

[Logik]

I told you from the start, I haven't seen your kind of insanity before, or not often. It's rare that I see something new and can increase my knowledge of the human brain/mind.

I don't want anything to do with you.

So you lied again? You did want something to do with me. You wanted to study me.

tsk tsk tks.

[Dontaskme]

Nothing has consciousness, there is only consciousness.

So what you call "consciousness" most other people call "the universe".

Language barriers to communication

So now, you are basically saying that self driving cars drive themselves because they have ''the universe''

Funny how the mind wants to make sense of it's reality huh? ..lost in translation, of course because words are just empty meaningless story no one is making up.

Don't make sense please.

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[Atla]

But I was talking to Age who literally believes that the True Self is speaking through him like a giant being. That's a pychiatric condition.

But that is what "atla" BELIEVES. Not Me.

Yes, i think the True Self is, literally, speaking through you, which "you" BELIEVE is absolutely impossible

Now which one? you see the world speaking through humans, yes?

[Logik]

So now, you are basically saying that self driving cars drive themselves because they have ''the universe''

What? lol.

No. I ASSUMED that you held the belief that humans have consciousness.
From there I simply inferred that IF we build a machine that behaves like a human would be a replication of consciousness.

But since what you meant by "consciousness" was "the universe", and where I THOUGHT that what you meant by "consciousness" is "a feature of the human mind" we simply misunderstood each other.

Funny how the mind wants to make sense of it's reality huh? ..lost in translation, of course because words are just empty meaningless story no one is making up.

Don't make sense please.

Funny how the mind jumps to conclusions ?

The way to replicate "consciousness" is the brain in a vat experiment.
IF I can put a human mind into a simulation that the mind cannot discern from the real Universe then.... success.

Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure it was real....

[Atla]

I told you from the start, I haven't seen your kind of insanity before, or not often. It's rare that I see something new and can increase my knowledge of the human brain/mind.

I don't want anything to do with you.

So you lied again? You did want something to do with me. You wanted to study me.

tsk tsk tks.

I haven't, that was half a year ago but now my "research" is more or less complete

[Logik]

I haven't, that was half a year ago but now my "research" is more or less complete

Very good! Since your experiment is concluded and your research is completed, then you should be able to publish it. No?

You should have no problem stating your assumptions and uncertainties.

What evidence would falsify your research?

[Atla]

I haven't, that was half a year ago but now my "research" is more or less complete

Very good! Since your experiment is concluded then you should have no problem stating your assumptions and uncertainties.

What evidence would falsify your research?

Why the hell would I want to share it with you in even more detail?

[Logik]

Why the hell would I want to share it with you in even more detail?

Don't you want to know if you have made an error?

[Logik]

Why the hell would I want to share it with you in even more detail?

Here. Go and compare notes.

Rationality is Systematized Winning
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4ARtkT3 ... ed-winning

Newcomb's Problem and Regret of Rationality
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6ddcsdA ... ationality

My kind of "insane" has a name. Scientific progress.

[Atla]

Why the hell would I want to share it with you in even more detail?

Don't you want to know if you have made an error?

I probably haven't, and what is it to you?

[Age]

To be honest AlexW I'm starting to think that you have some sort of amnesia as well..

Maybe I do... sorry if I couldn't remember.

YES as I made it clear many times, everything the small self does, is actually "done" by the "True Self". But the "True Self" isn't an entity and doesn't actually "do" anything in any meaningful sense of the word, it doesn't have the ability to identify/speak/hear/think/smell/feel in any meaningful sense of the word. The "True Self" is simply the world, reality.

Agree.

The "meaningful sense of the word" only arises from the identification with a separate doer (even he/she doesn't even truly exist)

But I was talking to Age who literally believes that the True Self is speaking through him like a giant being. That's a pychiatric condition.

Yes, didn't mean to interrupt your discussion. I don't think Age thinks the Self is a giant being (Age, correct me if I am wrong), its simply the way Age communicates that is unusual (guess it's not really possible to speak/write AS the True Self without coming across as a lunatic )

No, he literally seems to believe that when he is using the word "i", "he" the human being is talking. And when the word "I" is used, the True Self is saying absolutely 100% true, right things (communicating through his human body i guess). He thinks that's how we all function and everyone else is insane for not realizing this, even though he spends his days trying to teach it to us.

1. i do NOT believe any thing (except the one thing).
2. There is NO "he" talking.
3. The True Self is saying absolutely 100% True and Right things all the time. "we', unfortunately, block this out with our unnecessary assumptions, beliefs, et cetera. So, the True Self can and does communicate through ALL human bodies, that is; when what is being expressed through human bodies is True and Right.
4. i have NEVER thought that any one is insane for not yet realizing things. The Truth IS no human being can know of some thing until they have been exposed to it in some particular way. If i recall correctly no one will find where i have thought any one is insane for not realizing any thing. The reason WHY "atla" TRIES TO project that perception onto "others" is obvious. Remember it is "you/atla" who keeps commenting on how i and "others" are insane. i have NEVER done such a thing.
5. i am NOT spending my days trying to teach any one any thing here. i am just spending these days learning how to communicate better. So, that I can be better understood.

[Logik]

I probably haven't,

So that's 1 in how many that you have?

and what is it to you?

To me? Absolutely nothing!

That you neither care nor want to prove yourself wrong tells me everything I need or want to know about you.

You are not a scientist.

[Dontaskme]

The way to replicate "consciousness" is the brain in a vat experiment.
IF I can put a human mind into a simulation that the mind cannot discern from the real Universe then.... success.

Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure it was real....

What human mind? ..this is an idea in consciousness.

Neo never had a dream, dreams of Neo are appearances of consciousness only.

There is no way that consciousness can know if another consciousness exits...for one very good reason there is nothing outside or inside of it but itself.

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[Atla]

3. The True Self is saying absolutely 100% True and Right things all the time. "we', unfortunately, block this out with our unnecessary assumptions, beliefs, et cetera. So, the True Self can and does communicate through ALL human bodies, that is; when what is being expressed through human bodies is True and Right.

Thank you