Re: Corporation Socialism
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:54 pm
You’ve got the right to be wrong, Will. I can at least grant you that.
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You’ve got the right to be wrong, Will. I can at least grant you that.
I'd rephrase it: Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of a global commodity scheme precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:13 pm I'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.
Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?
Or are they head-in-the-sand, like Will?
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:47 pm in television the product is not the program; the product is the audience and the consumer of that product is the advertiser. The advertiser does not 'buy' a news program. He buys an audience. Linda Ellerbee
Yes, that's good. I said "capitalism," because it's their favourite bogeyman. It actually doesn't exist. I checked: the name, and the concept, were invented just before the time of Marx. Before that, it was unknown. And there's a very good reason for that...free markets are not an ideology, but an arrangement. People don't believe in an ideology called "capitalism" -- that's pure Marxist projection. Since they're ideologues, they think everybody else must be.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:42 pm I'd rephrase it: Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of a global commodity scheme precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?
I'd change it up cuz it isn't exactly capitalism on the table. The thrust of it isn't profit but, instead, is the commodification of persons.
Exactly so.
Yep, pretty much.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:16 pm the public is merely the cash cow that's being traded.
Good luck with that.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:13 pmI'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.
How do you propose "the worker" resists?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:13 pmDo Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?
When it comes to capitalism there are as many "deep state" assessments here as there are posters. Here's mine: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/two-m ... sm/29594/5henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:30 pmYep, pretty much.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:16 pm the public is merely the cash cow that's being traded.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:04 pm Just out of curiosity, henry...
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That's a good question. But if it's fair to assume the worker has no interest in becoming the slave of the bureaucrats, let's have some suggestions.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:18 amHow do you propose "the worker" resists?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:13 pmDo Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?
Guns. Big Honking Guns. And lots and lots of ammo.
Who decides when to use them?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:58 amGuns. Big Honking Guns. And lots and lots of ammo.
Last resort, of course.
Persons as commodities pertains to unrestrained capitalism. You don't have to look far for an example of unrestrained capitalism-----the old transatlantic slave trade.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:42 pmI'd rephrase it: Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of a global commodity scheme precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:13 pm I'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.
Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?
Or are they head-in-the-sand, like Will?
I'd change it up cuz it isn't exactly capitalism on the table. The thrust of it isn't profit but, instead, is the commodification of persons.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:47 pm in television the product is not the program; the product is the audience and the consumer of that product is the advertiser. The advertiser does not 'buy' a news program. He buys an audience. Linda Ellerbee
When it comes to mine: me.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:54 amWho decides when to use them?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:58 amGuns. Big Honking Guns. And lots and lots of ammo.
Last resort, of course.
That's what the Marxists all used to say. But now we find that Socialism itself can become the handmaiden of the oppressor.
Well, because there's actually no such thing as "capitalism." That's a Marxist meme, not a reality. Nobody has an ideological reverence for the making of "capital." "Capital" is not an ideology. The excessive desire to make money, and the willingness to do unethical things to get there is just a universal human fault, really, and as much a part of Socialism as of anything. Certainly there's no "capitalist" ideology, no counterpart of Marxism ideologically. That's Marxism's own confused construction of things, not a reality.You don't have to look far for an example of unrestrained capitalism-----the old transatlantic slave trade.
Well, then, what do you make of the Chinese "Belts and Roads" initiative, then? (https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/belt ... e-dangers/) China's not "capitalist," and yet it's buying up control of developing nations and even First World nations faster than even the old British Empire ever did. It seems that Socialism is even more aggressively colonial. So we can't lay that at the feet of this "capitalism" bogeyman, either.Colonalism is another example of unrestrained capitalism and modern colonialism is commercial exploitation .