Corporation Socialism

[Immanuel Can]

*load of uninteresting nonsense*

You’ve got the right to be wrong, Will. I can at least grant you that.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.

Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

Or are they head-in-the-sand, like Will?

[henry quirk]

I'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.

Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

Or are they head-in-the-sand, like Will?

I'd rephrase it: Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of a global commodity scheme precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

I'd change it up cuz it isn't exactly capitalism on the table. The thrust of it isn't profit but, instead, is the commodification of persons.

in television the product is not the program; the product is the audience and the consumer of that product is the advertiser. The advertiser does not 'buy' a news program. He buys an audience. Linda Ellerbee

[Immanuel Can]

I'd rephrase it: Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of a global commodity scheme precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

I'd change it up cuz it isn't exactly capitalism on the table. The thrust of it isn't profit but, instead, is the commodification of persons.

Yes, that's good. I said "capitalism," because it's their favourite bogeyman. It actually doesn't exist. I checked: the name, and the concept, were invented just before the time of Marx. Before that, it was unknown. And there's a very good reason for that...free markets are not an ideology, but an arrangement. People don't believe in an ideology called "capitalism" -- that's pure Marxist projection. Since they're ideologues, they think everybody else must be.

But free markets are just a way of doing business, not a comprehensive explanation of all things in life, including anthropology, value, morals, history, and so on, the way Marxism tried to be, and failed. Nobody's really a "capitalist."

Additionally, Marx thought that Socialism would inevitably favour the worker. Apparently, it does not. It favours whoever bribes the government, actually...and the public is merely the cash cow that's being traded.

[Impenitent]

bureaucracy uber alles

-Imp

[Immanuel Can]

bureaucracy uber alles

-Imp

Exactly so.

[henry quirk]

the public is merely the cash cow that's being traded.

Yep, pretty much.

[Will Bouwman]

I'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.

Good luck with that.

Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

How do you propose "the worker" resists?

[iambiguous]

the public is merely the cash cow that's being traded.

Yep, pretty much.

When it comes to capitalism there are as many "deep state" assessments here as there are posters. Here's mine: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/two-m ... sm/29594/5

On the other hand, let's get back to this:

Just out of curiosity, henry...

IC insists that if you choose of your own free will to watch these videos -- https://www.reasonablefaith.org/animate ... r8EALw_wcB -- you will encounter all of the historical and scientific evidence that you need in order to demonstrate that a God, the God is the Christian God.

Also, of your own free will, you can choose to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and be saved. In other words, according to him, you may well be free to choose the Deist God "here and now" but come Judgment Day...?

[Immanuel Can]

Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

How do you propose "the worker" resists?

That's a good question. But if it's fair to assume the worker has no interest in becoming the slave of the bureaucrats, let's have some suggestions.

[henry quirk]

let's have some suggestions.

Guns. Big Honking Guns. And lots and lots of ammo.

Last resort, of course.

[Will Bouwman]

let's have some suggestions.

Guns. Big Honking Guns. And lots and lots of ammo.

Last resort, of course.

Who decides when to use them?

[Belinda]

I'm going to return, minus the seething, delusory Will Bouwman, to the topic in hand.

Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of global "capitalism" precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

Or are they head-in-the-sand, like Will?

I'd rephrase it: Do Socialists realize that they are in danger of becoming the tool of a global commodity scheme precisely because Big Government, Big Media, and Big Business, have found they don't have to be enemies, but are uniting against the worker?

I'd change it up cuz it isn't exactly capitalism on the table. The thrust of it isn't profit but, instead, is the commodification of persons.

in television the product is not the program; the product is the audience and the consumer of that product is the advertiser. The advertiser does not 'buy' a news program. He buys an audience. Linda Ellerbee

Persons as commodities pertains to unrestrained capitalism. You don't have to look far for an example of unrestrained capitalism-----the old transatlantic slave trade.
Colonalism is another example of unrestrained capitalism and modern colonialism is commercial exploitation .

[henry quirk]

let's have some suggestions.

Guns. Big Honking Guns. And lots and lots of ammo.

Last resort, of course.

Who decides when to use them?

When it comes to mine: me.

[Immanuel Can]

Persons as commodities pertains to unrestrained capitalism.

That's what the Marxists all used to say. But now we find that Socialism itself can become the handmaiden of the oppressor.

You don't have to look far for an example of unrestrained capitalism-----the old transatlantic slave trade.

Well, because there's actually no such thing as "capitalism." That's a Marxist meme, not a reality. Nobody has an ideological reverence for the making of "capital." "Capital" is not an ideology. The excessive desire to make money, and the willingness to do unethical things to get there is just a universal human fault, really, and as much a part of Socialism as of anything. Certainly there's no "capitalist" ideology, no counterpart of Marxism ideologically. That's Marxism's own confused construction of things, not a reality.

Besides, look at Maoist or Russian prison camps: it's very clear that this "capitalism" bogeyman has no monopoly on the subjection and dehumanization of persons. Socialism's highly adept at it...much better at doing it, in fact, than the Atlantic slave trade ever was. More people are enslaved by Socialism than by any scheme in history. So why should Socialism be allowed to lecture on slavery?

Colonalism is another example of unrestrained capitalism and modern colonialism is commercial exploitation .

Well, then, what do you make of the Chinese "Belts and Roads" initiative, then? (https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/belt ... e-dangers/) China's not "capitalist," and yet it's buying up control of developing nations and even First World nations faster than even the old British Empire ever did. It seems that Socialism is even more aggressively colonial. So we can't lay that at the feet of this "capitalism" bogeyman, either.