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bat, not racket: checkImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:06 pmCricket bat and ball. The game is sort of like baseball.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:00 pm I’m not well versed in emojis. What does the rolling pin and billiard ball mean?
I thought it was the racism...mebbe I missed sumthin' tooImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 pmWell, so unlikely no sensible person is going to go with them, of course. But I'm still open to hearing anything...anything at all...that makes it plausible.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:07 pm I hesitate to respond, because you believe your stories are unlikely but possible.
Did you?I gave you a story alternative, but somehow you missed it.Did you hit "quote"? Because I certainly never saw it.
I checked back. It's not there.
What was it?
Read carefully. There’s an alternate story here.commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:00 pmThat police are profiling black drivers and pulling them over for any minor reason they can come up with.
The ROI for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph is so low that even a cop on forced holiday duty does not ordinarily want to invest his or her time for the meager monetary return.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:46 pm Anyway, 5 over is, technically, breaking the law. The cops do have a right to pull over anybody for it. It may seem trivial to you and me, but it's not actually wrong for them to do that. We are, in fact, breaking the law.
yeah, racism, like I said (never mind that steve and me punctured that up-thread)commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:55 pmRead carefully. There’s an alternate story here.commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:00 pmThat police are profiling black drivers and pulling them over for any minor reason they can come up with.
The ROI for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph is so low that even a cop on forced holiday duty does not ordinarily want to invest his or her time for the meager monetary return.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:46 pm Anyway, 5 over is, technically, breaking the law. The cops do have a right to pull over anybody for it. It may seem trivial to you and me, but it's not actually wrong for them to do that. We are, in fact, breaking the law.
Not racism. Systemic racism.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:14 pmyeah, racism, like I said (never mind that steve and me punctured that up-thread)commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:55 pmRead carefully. There’s an alternate story here.commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:00 pm
That police are profiling black drivers and pulling them over for any minor reason they can come up with.
The ROI for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph is so low that even a cop on forced holiday duty does not ordinarily want to invest his or her time for the meager monetary return.
there you go...back to square onecommonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:17 pmNot racism. Systemic racism.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:14 pmyeah, racism, like I said (never mind that steve and me punctured that up-thread)
Well, "systemic racism" is the biggest non-answer of all. It doesn't even have a specific meaning.
Law enforcement. It’s systemic because profiling isn’t limited, system-wide. The proof is not in the individual incidents, but rather in the overall data showing that one race is 3 times as likely as another to be shot and killed by police who are cogs in the wheels of the system.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:00 pmWell, "systemic racism" is the biggest non-answer of all. It doesn't even have a specific meaning.
But I'll persevere: since a society is made up of many different "systems," I have to ask "which system," first of all. The "educational" system? The "political" system -- local, regional or national, and both parties? The "transportation" system? The judiciary? The "employment" system? The "food-distribution" system? The "welfare" system? The "medical" system? What?
Which "system" do you blame, and what's the proof that that "system" is "racist"?
If you can't find any particular system that's racist, then what's your basis for saying that it even is?
I see. But apparently, the data doesn't actually support your claim.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:45 pmLaw enforcement. It’s systemic because profiling isn’t limited, system-wide. The proof is not in the individual incidents, but rather in the overall data showing that one race is 3 times as likely as another to be shot and killed by police who are cogs in the wheels of the system.Which "system" do you blame, and what's the proof that that "system" is "racist"?
It’s fixed. You’re fixed. The whole thing is fixed.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:19 pmI see. But apparently, the data doesn't actually support your claim.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:45 pmLaw enforcement. It’s systemic because profiling isn’t limited, system-wide. The proof is not in the individual incidents, but rather in the overall data showing that one race is 3 times as likely as another to be shot and killed by police who are cogs in the wheels of the system.Which "system" do you blame, and what's the proof that that "system" is "racist"?
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo&t=276s
So now that you know that the alleged "profiling," (if any is happening) is statistically actually in favour of black suspects per capita, rather than against them, what do you say now about the system?
thus endth the discussion...commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:34 pmIt’s fixed. You’re fixed. The whole thing is fixed.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:19 pmI see. But apparently, the data doesn't actually support your claim.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:45 pm Law enforcement. It’s systemic because profiling isn’t limited, system-wide. The proof is not in the individual incidents, but rather in the overall data showing that one race is 3 times as likely as another to be shot and killed by police who are cogs in the wheels of the system.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo&t=276s
So now that you know that the alleged "profiling," (if any is happening) is statistically actually in favour of black suspects per capita, rather than against them, what do you say now about the system?
I was never broken.
What a fool believes, no wise man can reason away.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:34 pmIt’s fixed. You’re fixed. The whole thing is fixed.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:19 pmI see. But apparently, the data doesn't actually support your claim.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:45 pm Law enforcement. It’s systemic because profiling isn’t limited, system-wide. The proof is not in the individual incidents, but rather in the overall data showing that one race is 3 times as likely as another to be shot and killed by police who are cogs in the wheels of the system.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo&t=276s
So now that you know that the alleged "profiling," (if any is happening) is statistically actually in favour of black suspects per capita, rather than against them, what do you say now about the system?
There's certainly no convincing "wise men" that they are fools...