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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:50 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:06 am

The word 'reincarnation' is in relation to thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 'you', individually human beings, WANTING and DESIRING to live longer than 'you' are going to.

'you' do NOT 'come back'. 'you', however, do live forever more, but, literally, NOT in the form that some of 'you' IMAGINE 'you' could.

So here you are saying that the One and ONLY one....is all that exists, is all there is, and this one and only one is constantly changing form from one thing to another without taking away a thing or adding a thing to it's absolute wholeness, and that no thing can be added or taken away from what is always absolutely WHOLE.

Is that correct?

No.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:22 am
Do you UNDERSTAND that the ONLY True PEST on earth are HUMAN BEINGS?

Is that what folks have been telling you, Age?

NO. NO one has told me that.

From what I have observed EVERY other thing, besides human beings, just lives WITH what has been NATURALLY supplied and thus WITH Nature, Itself..

'you', adult human beings, however, are the only ones that create and produce things, which NATURALLY oppose, pollute, and destroy Nature, Itself.

So, it is from what I have observed and experienced, and NOT from what ANY one has told me, that I say and claim adult human beings are the ONLY True pest on earth.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am Maybe they're laying on some heavy hints.
Especially if they urge you to drink pest poison.
Just kidding.
Everyone knows that's just a figure of speech. Isn't it?

*

ALL moot, as there is NO 'they' here, as there is NO one that told me that.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am Incarnation = “a concrete or actual form of a quality or concept.”
Re- (prefix) = “again: anew.”
Reincarnation = A new, actual form of a quality or concept.

And, as I was saying and POINTING OUT, thee One is ALWAYS CHANGING, and WHEN, and IF, hadult human beings, START behaving properly AND correctly, THEN this One and ONLY place can become 'renewed', and thus more heaven-like.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am Example: While watching television I saw the moving image of a yellow tabby cat. It was the literal reincarnation of our old house cat who years ago used up the last of his nine lives. Why literal?

ONLY 'you' were the one saying 'literal', and maybe the ONLY one BELIEVING this. So, ONLY 'you' would KNOW 'why'.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am According to the meaning of the above defined words, both the TV cat and our cat were “the actual form of cat qualities” and mannerisms, although the TV cat was just an image of cat form, not the actual form. The two cats appear to be the same cat to human eyes*

BUT, this 'appeared' to 'you' ALONE here.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am because cats have few to no illusions that change the appearance of cat qualities, such as behavior.

I am NOT sure what this has to do with what 'you' quoted me as saying above here.

Are 'you' AWARE that adult human beings are the ONLY True, or REAL, pest on earth, or are you NOT YET aware of this?

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am As far as we know, neither do they have an ideal abstract concept of what it means to be a cat, although each cat can't help but be the essence of cat, an essence that is recognizable in the actual form of cat that reappears from cat to cat, the essence that philosophers struggle to define as a singular thing.

'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, do NOT even KNOW 'who' NOR 'what' 'you' are YET, let alone worrying or talking about the 'essence' of a 'cat'.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:52 am Cat ladies could likely chime in with some topical news items.


* a figure of speech that refers to all the senses

If 'you' would like to talk about, or talk to, "others", then please do not do it in replies to me. Thank you

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:26 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:50 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:06 am

The word 'reincarnation' is in relation to thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 'you', individually human beings, WANTING and DESIRING to live longer than 'you' are going to.

'you' do NOT 'come back'. 'you', however, do live forever more, but, literally, NOT in the form that some of 'you' IMAGINE 'you' could.

So here you are saying that the One and ONLY one....is all that exists, is all there is, and this one and only one is constantly changing form from one thing to another without taking away a thing or adding a thing to it's absolute wholeness, and that no thing can be added or taken away from what is always absolutely WHOLE.

Is that correct?

No.

The I that goes by the label 'dontaskme' has interpreted your comment in my own way, but that interpretation I made was incorrect.

I 'dontaskme' could only form my own interpretation of what you'd said... but was incorrect, but was correct for you...is that correct?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:02 am
But I do NOT 'fall in love' with people.

Obviously not.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:02 amI asked a person who DOES HATE Life, that IF they were a sane adult human being what they would really expect.

We are STILL waiting for their answer.

Hating life is not a crime, some people hate the taste of beetroot, and that's not a crime either. Being up close and intimate with the things we do love in life is what we love about life. Some aspects of life are to be hated, like having a roaring gum abscess toothache in the middle of night only to find you've run out of painkillers. On the other hand some aspects of life are to be loved like eating Ben & Jerry's icecream on a hot summers day, or your lover giving you an orgasm, that's pretty worth being alive for, but all these things are fleeting and temporal and short lived, these are pleasures that do not seem to last as long as pain and suffering, which is in my opinion the most dominant feature a sentient organism had to endure throughout their life span, pain will always dominate the pleasure part of life, that's a fact. Like when your lover whom you have invested so much of your time and love energy suddenly cuts you out of their life, that's really painful and the grief can last a very long time. No pleasure can last as long as grief and mental anguish does.

I guess I hate some aspects of life, and love others.
For me personally, I guess I'm saying if I had ever had the choice to be born at all, already knowing what it is to be alive, I simply would not have choosen to be born. But no one knows what it is like to be born until they are born.

So this is all I am trying to say when I say I hate being alive. The fact that I am alive through a process that I have had no consent or control over just means I am in a position where I can now choose to like it or not, but that's just something I have the capacity to do being born as a talking conceptual animal, who is able to project conceptual meaning into the world, a world that I just suddenly woke up to, and had no hand in making that appearance happen whatoever. So it's not like I am forced or obliged to say to myself, ok this is amazing thanks universe I am so grateful and honored and humbled to be here, thanks for making me I am forever in your debt. No, I can say no thanks, this is not for me...but does that make me an insane person, no, it makes me me, and there's nothing wrong with being me, and if others have a problem with me, then that's their problem not mine. I just live life my way, and that's all that matters to me. I'm the one who has to live my life no one else, and how I live my life is of no one elses business. I'm only insane if I give myself permission to be so.


Is this clarification enough for you, or would you like more clarification?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:22 am
Do you UNDERSTAND that the ONLY True PEST on earth are HUMAN BEINGS?

Why is the human being the only true pest on earth?

Because they the ONLY ones that pollute, destroy, and make a mess of the NATURAL order of things.

Does any other animal POLLUTE the air and the water that they NEED, to live?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:38 am

Does any other animal POLLUTE the air and the water that they NEED, to live?

Yeast polutes its environment to the point where it can no longer survive in it in the wine making process. You could say that the yeast is in an artificial environment in this case, but perhaps man has also created an artificial environment for himself, and that is why things are going pear shaped.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:50 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:58 pm
Suicide is stupid especially since reincarnation is concerned. U kill yourself and then are born into the same shit or worse all over again -again with ALL your current knowledge wiped. Suicide is idiocy.

Age has previously stated.

The word 'reincarnation' is in relation to thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 'you', individually human beings, WANTING and DESIRING to live longer than 'you' are going to.

And so yes I agree, suicide is idiocy. Even though Age has suggested if suicided is known about then it can be for some people a way out of the torment that is their life.

But then as Age states, there is only thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS. So it's even pointless and futile to attempt suicide.

Therefore, it's also only thee One and ONLY who hates being alive, or loves being alive anyway, therefore, there's just hating or loving life, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it because there is nothing but the self here all one hating and loving itself anyway, there is no thing else to oppose it or stop it from happening.


Philosophies: To Never Have Been
Strewn into the world, plucked from the veil
An existence unconsented
A consciousness awoken, now pain can be hailed
A life that has unrelented
I irrevocable, cannot be undone
Suicide not a solvent, I will always have existed
From myself nowhere to run
Pain is all, lacking pleasure, happiness resisted
If prevention of pain is your sole desire,
On my philosophy you should inquire


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I may have stated things previously, but they can be very simply and easily misinterpreted.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:34 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:18 pmYou can keep 'trying' to "justify" but it is NOT working.

But it is working for me, I do not even have to justify why is working for me, why won't or don't you believe that?

'you' MISSED the WHOLE POINT, AGAIN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:39 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:18 pm
AGAIN, if 'you' come into a PUBLIC forum, then it does NOT help you to TELL "others" what to do or what not to do.

Are 'you' AWARE that "others" could SAY to 'you', "Keep your xxxx xxxx xxxx opinions to "yourself", why do you NOT?" as well.

But 'you' would NOT listen to them ALSO, correct?

If someone is hitting on me telling me that something I know damn well is working for me, is not working for me, when I clearly know it is, then I have every right to tell that someone to keep their opinion to themself.

BUT what you THINK 'it' is, which I am referring to with the 'not working for you' phrase is NOT, and I will repeat IS NOT, what you THINK 'it' is.

Is this now understood?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:39 pm I personally would never tell someone something they have said is working for them, that is it NOT working. Like you did.

But I did NOT do this, NOR that.

You just THINK and/or BELIEVE I did.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:11 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:06 am To understand the concept/notion of 'reincarnation', which I speak of here, one must first has to understand that the 'self', which 'you', people, talk about, in the days when this is being written, is NOT what 'reincarnates', and is NOT thee True Self.

The True Self, or as some call 'It', Spirit, Allah, God, or Enlightenment, is the One and ONLY One here, which exists. 'you', human beings, are just 'parts' of the WHOLE, or of thee One.

I don't think there is such a thing as "The True Self".

Okay, and as long as we are both clear on the fact that what you think does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what thee ACTUAL Truth IS, then what you say and write here is all well and good.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:11 pm The term "self" has a very fuzzy meaning at best. People use the word all the time, and very often mean something different on each occassion. As far as I'm aware, there is no great universal dictionary out there that clearly and categorically defines the term.

1. The term 'self' WAS very fuzzy to 'you', people, back when this WAS being written.

2. That 'great universal dictionary', which you refer to here, WAS NOT YET written, back in the days when this WAS being written. But when 'it' WAS written, then things became MUCH CLEARER, and thus LESS FUZZY for 'you', human beings.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:11 pm

Now, for those who want to say or claim that there are MANY 'things' that exist, then imagine a 'car' as being the WHOLE, or the One, and all of Its 'parts' are 'just parts'. If you look at the 'parts' as individual 'things', which they obviously are, conceptually through definition, and because of a conceptually defined 'boundary', then 'you' will only see a small or narrowed PART of the WHOLE. You will not be able to SEE the 'forest' for the 'trees'. BUT, if you look at the 'whole' as an individual 'Thing', then you will not SEE/UNDERSTAND the 'trees' for the 'forest'. So, it now depends on how 'you' want to LOOK AT at 'this', which then influences how 'you' are then SEEING 'things' here.

If 'you' LOOK AT the 'car' as the WHOLE, and ONLY One, and look at the 'parts' being interchangeable, or born and dying/wearing out, with the new 'parts' also could be called re-born, then ALL of those 'parts' are NOT 'reincarnating', but the 'car', Itself, is being rejuvenated, or 'reincarnating' into a 'newer' and, hopefully, 'better' model.

..........................................

If you think of the Universe as a whole, then it is easy to see ourselves as merely small parts within it, but by using your car analogy, you seem to imply that we are components, with a function to fulfil.

Just so we are CLEAR on this, I did NOT, intentionally, 'imply' this AT ALL, but you did 'infer' this.

BUT, what you 'inferred' WORKS IN PERFECTLY anyway, now that this has been brought to my attention.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:11 pm A machine part has a prescribed purpose, but I'm afraid that I can't go along with the idea that the components of the Universe are all there to serve any specific function.

WHY can you, supposedly, NOT go along with this idea here?

Do you MEAN that you CAN NOT go along with this idea FOREVER MORE, or for just at the 'moment' as there is absolutely NOTHING within the 'thinking' within that head that can SEE ANY idea like this being true?

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:11 pm But perhaps I have misunderstood you, which is more than possible.

I am PRETTY SURE 'you' are NOT YET FULLY understanding 'me' here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:08 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:26 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:50 am

So here you are saying that the One and ONLY one....is all that exists, is all there is, and this one and only one is constantly changing form from one thing to another without taking away a thing or adding a thing to it's absolute wholeness, and that no thing can be added or taken away from what is always absolutely WHOLE.

Is that correct?

No.

The I that goes by the label 'dontaskme' has interpreted your comment in my own way, but that interpretation I made was incorrect.

I 'dontaskme' could only form my own interpretation of what you'd said... but was incorrect, but was correct for you...is that correct?

1. The 'i' that goes by the label "dontaskme" is an 'i' and NOT the 'I'.

2. 'you' CAN do more than just form 'your' OWN interpretation of what 'i' had said. 'you' CAN SEEK OUT clarification, INSTEAD.

3. 'i' would NOT say that what 'i' said was 'correct FOR me', but rather 'i' would say, 'that what 'i' said is just how 'i' view and see 'things' here', which may be correct or Incorrect, in relation to thee ACTUAL OBJECTIVE and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things'.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:58 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:38 am

Does any other animal POLLUTE the air and the water that they NEED, to live?

Yeast polutes its environment to the point where it can no longer survive in it in the wine making process. You could say that the yeast is in an artificial environment in this case, but perhaps man has also created an artificial environment for himself, and that is why things are going pear shaped.

My son who bakes sourdough bread, keeps his sourdough culture like a household pet, which it is because it needs to be treated with the respect that a living individual merits.

The difference, the big diffference, between man and his tamed animals is that tamed animals are largely artefacts of breeding and domestication, whereas men are wild animals. Unlike sheep herders, guards, sofa cuddlers, sniffers, chasers, cart pullers, milkers, men are not identical with their professions or trades. That is why we have so much difficulty knowing what we are. Many people prefer that men remain wild animals whose stock in trade is variety.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:44 am
Okay, and as long as we are both clear on the fact that what you think does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what thee ACTUAL Truth IS, then what you say and write here is all well and good.

I would not for one moment claim to have the firm grasp on "thee ACTUAL Truth" that you appear to have, Age.

The term 'self' WAS very fuzzy to 'you', people, back when this WAS being written.

I am not aware of a single satisfactory and overriding definition of the term, "self", so I am not in a position to understand exactly what you mean when you use the word. That may be a failing on my part, but there we are.

Age wrote:

Harbal wrote: A machine part has a prescribed purpose, but I'm afraid that I can't go along with the idea that the components of the Universe are all there to serve any specific function.

WHY can you, supposedly, NOT go along with this idea here?

It would be more accurate to say that I don't go along with it, rather than can't. The idea implies that there is conscious intention directing the Universe, and I have no reason to think that is the case.

I am PRETTY SURE 'you' are NOT YET FULLY understanding 'me' here.

Yes, I suspected as much myself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:02 am
But I do NOT 'fall in love' with people.

Obviously not.

LOL

If 'you' EVER SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION what WILL BE FOUND is that what 'you' ASSUMING here is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' IS here.

Unless, OF COURSE, 'you' happen to PROVE otherwise.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:02 amI asked a person who DOES HATE Life, that IF they were a sane adult human being what they would really expect.

We are STILL waiting for their answer.

Hating life is not a crime, some people hate the taste of beetroot, and that's not a crime either.

I KNOW.

'you' REALLY can NOT YET READ what I WRITE WITHOUT PRESUMING 'things', which USUALLY ARE False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect.

I NEVER even thought HATING Life was a crime, let alone EVER suggest absolutely ANY thing like this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am Being up close and intimate with the things we do love in life is what we love about life. Some aspects of life are to be hated, like having a roaring gum abscess toothache in the middle of night only to find you've run out of painkillers. On the other hand some aspects of life are to be loved like eating Ben & Jerry's icecream on a hot summers day, or your lover giving you an orgasm, that's pretty worth being alive for, but all these things are fleeting and temporal and short lived, these are pleasures that do not seem to last as long as pain and suffering, which is in my opinion the most dominant feature a sentient organism had to endure throughout their life span, pain will always dominate the pleasure part of life, that's a fact.

That is a 'fact', FOR 'you'.

Also, ONLY when one has been ABUSED do they then turn to 'loving things', as well as 'hating things'.

See, when one IS Truly content AND happy, then there are NO aspects of Life that they HATE nor LOVE. SEE, absolutely EVERY thing IN Life is PERFECT, EXACTLY how they ARE at ANY given moment.

To REACH and ACHIEVE what is about to SOON BE-come, relative to 'you', people, in the days when this was being written, how EVERY thing IS, to 'you' is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am Like when your lover whom you have invested so much of your time and love energy suddenly cuts you out of their life, that's really painful and the grief can last a very long time. No pleasure can last as long as grief and mental anguish does.

Grief and mental anguish only persist in those who have been ABUSED. 'you', "dontaskme", are LIVING PROOF of this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am I guess I hate some aspects of life, and love others.

So, Life REALLY is NOT as bad as you sometimes make It out to be, correct?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am For me personally, I guess I'm saying if I had ever had the choice to be born at all, already knowing what it is to be alive, I simply would not have choosen to be born. But no one knows what it is like to be born until they are born.

How MANY TIMES are you going to REPEAT 'this' BEFORE you come to REALIZE we ALREADY KNOW and UNDERSTAND this about you?

Also, NOT sure how this FITS IN with what you quoted me saying and writing above here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am So this is all I am trying to say when I say I hate being alive.

But I KNOW and UNDERSTAND that this is 'all that you are trying to say', and have KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD this EVERY one of the maybe 50 times that you have continually stated this.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am The fact that I am alive through a process that I have had no consent or control over just means I am in a position where I can now choose to like it or not, but that's just something I have the capacity to do being born as a talking conceptual animal, who is able to project conceptual meaning into the world, a world that I just suddenly woke up to, and had no hand in making that appearance happen whatoever. So it's not like I am forced or obliged to say to myself, ok this is amazing thanks universe I am so grateful and honored and humbled to be here, thanks for making me I am forever in your debt. No, I can say no thanks, this is not for me...but does that make me an insane person, no, it makes me me, and there's nothing wrong with being me, and if others have a problem with me, then that's their problem not mine.

WHEN, and IF, 'you' EVER STOP making ASSUMPTIONS and PRESUMING 'things', then, one day, 'you' MIGHT just come to ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND what I am ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am I just live life my way, and that's all that matters to me. I'm the one who has to live my life no one else, and how I live my life is of no one elses business.

If 'you' are ABUSING "others", then how 'you' are living so-called 'your life' IS the business of "others".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:39 am I'm only insane if I give myself permission to be so.


Is this clarification enough for you, or would you like more clarification?

LOL

'you' are NOT even CLOSE to what I was TALKING ABOUT and MEANING.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:58 am The difference, the big diffference, between man and his tamed animals is that tamed animals are largely artefacts of breeding and domestication, whereas men are wild animals.

But don't you think that man has also domesticated and tamed himself?