Reincarnation

[Iwannaplato]

ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

Now that was funny.

[Dontaskme]

I think it's an old Zen quote that I guess both of them are quoting.

So what, we're all quoting each other, parroting what someone else has said before us, the expression of human language is an oscillating echo chamber which is sourced only in itself. That's all we've been doing since we first learnt to talk as a baby, is repeating the same thing over and over again, something that we've heard from someone else, and put it in a different way that's all.

But then you are already familar with the nondual message, even having confessed it's not to your philosophical taste, you admit you do not like the guru vibe....but isn't that what all philosophers are doing?

Perhaps in some sense, though not the way mean it. Most people in any discussion forum put forward their ideas about what is real/what is going on. For me the guru role entails spiritual aspects and specific dynamics between the guru and others.

What I express through langauage is meant in the way it is meant to mean according to how I personally interpret it to mean, as does everyone else interpret their own philosophy according to how they directly experience it as it is known from their own unique personal understanding...but so what?

....what the heck are you expecting to hear in a philosophical discussion? are you expecting something no one has ever heard or talked about before, something off the scale of human understanding that has never been thought of before, something completely unique and brand new that blows the mind of every thinking philosopher making all that they had thought previously redundant and irrelevant? is that what you want?

There are a lot of things that are neither guru shit nor earthshakingly original. Throwing out quotes or paraphrases from a non-dualist perspective when it's pointed out you made a false generalization for example has a culty edge to it.

So what, don't we all belong to some form of cult or another, our own societal human man-made cultures according to our specific values and beliefs based on where we were born and what langauge we speak, and isn't our capacity to work together in mutual cooperation how we develop our cultures when it comes to operating as a united team so as to avoid the collapse of our civilisations.

We have created our own little cults which is only a shortened version of the word culture. Tell me one human activity that is not cult like behavior?

Hey, I won't respond to/take responsibility for X, but here's a tidbit of wisdom. Telling people nothing they say will change your personal philosophy AND passing on a lot of rehashed eastern 'wisdom' or wisdom, yeah, to me that's guru stuff.

Congrats would you like a medal for that accurate assessment? but so what if it's guru stuff, why does that seem to be a problem for you?

I am not at all assuming you consciously decide to take on the role or guru or master, but that dynamic implicitly says things to people.

So what if I do take on this role, are we not all playing somekind of role in our life...what the heck is your problem with the action of role playing? I'm simply a messenger as we all are, each playing our role as to what message we send out there.

It's a bit like Peter Kropotkin on the political level. He comes, lectures, doesn't respond to much to the points people make, can't seem to take responsibility for what he writes AND there's a lack of organized thought or original thought. He's not in the guru role because for the most part he's not anywhere near spiritual stuff, but it's a similar dynamic.

So what if that's what he wants to do, no one is obliged to read his posts, we take what we want and leave the rest, isn't that a normal thing to do with knowledge? I haven't read any of Peter's posts, they do not interest me, so I have no reason to put my attention there, but I certainly do not have any desire to contest or whine about his motive to post or the way he delivers it, it's just what he wants to do with his particular style of philosophy I suppose.

There are many posters, here and elsewhere, over the years who don't necessarily have paradigmatic shift things to say, but who can honestly interact, combine their personal lives or life in general with their philosophical posts, and it's interesting in that way. Dealing with the voices who are not like that is useful in another way.

Oh well, I guess that's just how you see it then, but then so what, it is what it is, people are very much different in how they choose to express themselves, and it doesn't matter to me anyway, how or why anything people have to say is presented or is expected to be perceived by the readers.

These man-made stories, aka cliches like all philosophical cliches have helped I guess, they have helped me to see the frailty and futility and fakeness of humanity and their obsession to cling to their conditioned mythical beliefs as if they were actually real....the nondual message also helped me to understand why humanities apparent separation from nature as and through the human ego, was natures biggest flaw and mistake, as nature seeks endlessly through it's dna replicating molecules for the perfect species, but has failed miserably so far..

But, currently, you find yourself in a horror show.

So what? it's just my opinion that's all. I'm not saying life is like that for everyone, I'm just sharing my own life experience as I experience it to be.

Despite these ideas. So, I am bringing up the issue of your motivation for sharing ideas that at the very least have not put much of a dent in what you present as incredible suffering. And why you would announce that no on could change your personal philosophy, when it's not really helping you. And why you would also put these out as truths to others, who are perhaps not as closed as you are, when, in the end, despite having this outlook, or perhaps in part because of it, since you've said it goes back to childhood, you are still suffering immensely.

But that's all very noble of you and I honor your right to bring up the issue of my motivation to share how bleak I see life. It's my truth, I never said this truth is the only truth. What if there are readers here who actually resonate with my truth? and actually get comfort knowing someone else feels this way, have you ever thought about that? I'm just one of those people that cannot hide my true feelings about being alive, and if being alive to me is unpleasant then I'm certaintly not going to pretend that it is anything but unpleasant.

Here's the way things are. Here's the way things are. What you say cannot change my mind. Here's the way things are.

For me only, this is the way things are, and in no way am I expecting anyone who is reading my outlook on the way I see things, to be even the slightest bit interested in my bleak outlook, neither is anyone obliged to go along with it as being anything but my own personal experience, which has nothing to do with other peoples outlooks, everyone has their own outlook and I personally have no problem with any of them as I read about them, if I resonate with someones outlook I will, if I don't I wont, and nothing will change...just recently I had a lovely chat about life and personal things with Lacewing, and that's how I usually roll with conversations that I find engagingly interesting.

There were a couple of obvious things I pointed out in your posts: one related to Christianty as a whole and doubt, and one related to why someone might be upset in relation to inevitable things.

Not once in a long string of posts could you acknowledge that.

But it's not my scene, my language, the way Peter's posts is not my language, so why would I acknowledge something that is not in my vocabulary?

A great tangential wandering, including non-relevant non-dualist ideas. Finally you agreed with one point, but could not acknowledge that it went against what you said. Just a simple human, oh, yeah, I see what you mean, right. While at the same time producing spiritual wisdom. It's odd and interesting and matches things I experience out in real life, sometimes when there are real stakes involved. But I explain this in general in the post with Walker.

I really do not know what all the fuss is about, I simply do not believe, nor have ever pushed for a theory that there is anything remotely real as a religious or spiritual aspect within reality, the world to me, is made up as far as I see it, as nothing more than sentient flesh and bone material matter, and some non-sentient objects thrown in as well....all of which arises from nothing and returns to nothing reappearing from nothing.

[Dontaskme]

ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

Now that was funny.

It's probably not impossible to pull off, especially if one is naturally flexible and bendy. Or is one of those people who's body is capable of super joint hypermobility.

[Dontaskme]

I'm having a look in between trying (and failing miserably) to make head or tail out of The Expanse on Netflix..

Haven't seen The Expanse.

But watched Orgasm Inc: The Story of OneTaste. I watched that the other week. Fuck me, humans are weird. Orgasms are not weird, just people are.

There's not really that much on Netflix that I can make head nor tails of to be honest. Some films are entertaining though. Kind of like this forum that is likened in my opinion to a soap-opera starring the usual same old characters. Some you love, some you hate, some you tolerate, like marmite.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I'm having a look in between trying (and failing miserably) to make head or tail out of The Expanse on Netflix..

Haven't seen The Expanse.

But watched Orgasm Inc: The Story of OneTaste. I watched that the other week. Fuck me, humans are weird. Orgasms are not weird, just people are.

There's not really that much on Netflix that I can make head nor tails of to be honest. Some films are entertaining though. Kind of like this forum that is likened in my opinion to a soap-opera starring the usual same old characters. Some you love, some you hate, some you tolerate, like marmite.

It's on Amazon, not Netflix. I got that wrong. I was beginning to think I had early dementia or I was going deaf or something, the number of shows that were incomprehensible to me, then I googled it and I'm not alone. Actors these days think that whispering and mumbling their lines is a sign that they are 'great actors'. I keep having to put the annoying subtitles on to find out what they actually said. There are also a lot of pretentious prats who pass themselves off as writers who couldn't construct a coherent storyline if their life depended on it. The more incomprehensible the storyline the better the writer they think it makes them. So, incoherent storylines combined with whispering, mumbling actors makes for stressful viewing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZkXuOA ... orontoStar


Modern American acting method: Comedy=shrieking. Non-comedy=whispering/mumbling. Nothing in between.

[Lacewing]

Thanks Lacewing. I enjoy our conversations too, even the ones where you are bashing me and calling me out as a salad spinner. I love your honesty.

Thank you. We do go at it sometimes. Fun stuff!

I guess you and I talking on this forum is kind of like the closest we'll ever get to sitting under that tree having a cosmic conversation.

I bet we could have an amazing conversation in person when we could tap in energetically and see each other's eyes and faces. There's so much communication and connection that comes through that way. I think it helps people get on the same wavelength. Here on the forum, people seem more inclined toward expressing their outrageous individuality.

[Lacewing]

Actors these days think that whispering and mumbling their lines is a sign that they are 'great actors'. I keep having to put the annoying subtitles on to find out what they actually said. There are also a lot of pretentious prats who pass themselves off as writers who couldn't construct a coherent storyline if their life depended on it. The more incomprehensible the storyline the better the writer they think it makes them. So, incoherent storylines combined with whispering, mumbling actors makes for stressful viewing

Yes!!! It's ridiculous. Along with the black scenes too dark to see what's going on. wtf?

I was so disgusted with the dark episode of House of Dragons -- I'm guessing they were saving money by not having to provide impressive sets or effects, just a bunch of shadows moving around with mumbling. Clever!!

It also seems there's more fast-talking recently too. Maybe these people think that makes it look like they're thinking fast as well. Uh, no!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Actors these days think that whispering and mumbling their lines is a sign that they are 'great actors'. I keep having to put the annoying subtitles on to find out what they actually said. There are also a lot of pretentious prats who pass themselves off as writers who couldn't construct a coherent storyline if their life depended on it. The more incomprehensible the storyline the better the writer they think it makes them. So, incoherent storylines combined with whispering, mumbling actors makes for stressful viewing

Yes!!! It's ridiculous. Along with the black scenes too dark to see what's going on. wtf?

I was so disgusted with the dark episode of House of Dragons -- I'm guessing they were saving money by not having to provide impressive sets or effects, just a bunch of shadows moving around with mumbling. Clever!!

It also seems there's more fast-talking recently too. Maybe these people think that makes it look like they're thinking fast as well. Uh, no!

Ah yes. I forgot to mention the black scenes where you just have to take it on faith whether there are actually any actors IN the scene or if the mumbling/whispering has been added later. I thought it was because I have a relatively cheap TV which wasn't picking up mumbling actors getting around in the dark.

[Lacewing]

...the black scenes where you just have to take it on faith whether there are actually any actors IN the scene or if the mumbling/whispering has been added later.

Seriously, how many people review the final production before releasing it and signing off on it, saying: "This is good to go!"

Is it THAT HARD for them to consider that we (the viewers) don't already know the script forwards and backwards like they do, and we don't all have state-of-the-art equipment (like they do), nor special night-vision glasses to see what the fuck is going on in total darkness?

[Age]

I just KNOW of a concept of 'reincarnation' that does not just work but which ACTUALLY ALSO FITS IN PERFECTLY with ALL of the other words and their Correct definitions, or concepts.

Well I can't take that concept into account, because I don't know it. Will you tell us what it is?

Finally, eighteen pages later and someone shows some interest. But, be forewarned that without an understanding of a lot of other things what I am about might not make much sense, if any at all. NONE of 'you' will probably understand 'this' YET.

To understand the concept/notion of 'reincarnation', which I speak of here, one must first has to understand that the 'self', which 'you', people, talk about, in the days when this is being written, is NOT what 'reincarnates', and is NOT thee True Self.

The True Self, or as some call 'It', Spirit, Allah, God, or Enlightenment, is the One and ONLY One here, which exists. 'you', human beings, are just 'parts' of the WHOLE, or of thee One.

Now, for those who want to say or claim that there are MANY 'things' that exist, then imagine a 'car' as being the WHOLE, or the One, and all of Its 'parts' are 'just parts'. If you look at the 'parts' as individual 'things', which they obviously are, conceptually through definition, and because of a conceptually defined 'boundary', then 'you' will only see a small or narrowed PART of the WHOLE. You will not be able to SEE the 'forest' for the 'trees'. BUT, if you look at the 'whole' as an individual 'Thing', then you will not SEE/UNDERSTAND the 'trees' for the 'forest'. So, it now depends on how 'you' want to LOOK AT at 'this', which then influences how 'you' are then SEEING 'things' here.

If 'you' LOOK AT the 'car' as the WHOLE, and ONLY One, and look at the 'parts' being interchangeable, or born and dying/wearing out, with the new 'parts' also could be called re-born, then ALL of those 'parts' are NOT 'reincarnating', but the 'car', Itself, is being rejuvenated, or 'reincarnating' into a 'newer' and, hopefully, 'better' model.

When ALL of the 'parts' are working UNIFORMLY, and in HARMONY, together, then the 'car' 'drives' along PEACEFULLY, in a HEAVEN-like way. The Spirit of the drive is PEACEFUL, and CONTENT. However, the opposite is also true, when the 'parts' are not working PROPERLY, or working against each other, then this causes a HELL-like existence as the 'car' ATTEMPTS to move forward, and progress.

It is the Spirit of the 'car', the WHOLE, which is continually 'reincarnating', (or in an always process of 'reincarnation'), leading up to an always better KNOWING of Itself, and this is where the 'parts' come into play. Without 'you', human beings, that is the 'human brain', and an ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely ANY and EVERY thing, thee Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, or what every else this SAGE or 'It' is called can NOT come to KNOW Its 'Self', thy 'Self', which is thee One and ONLY 'True Self'.

Now, although there is A 'soul' within human bodies, which is just the INVISIBLE 'thoughts' and 'emotions' within the physical and VISIBLE human body, it is an ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY for 'these' to 'come back' and be re-born. For the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of this, then a LOT MORE needs to be learned and understood. But, a huge reason WHY 'you', adult human beings, consider words like 'reincarnation', 'heaven', and 'hell' are in relation to each one of 'you' PERSONALLY, is because of just how GREEDY and SELFISH 'you' have ALL 'grown up' and become. These words are in relation to the One and ONLY ETERNAL Existence, or Life, that there IS, and they are NOT in relation to 'you', insignificant very limited, individual, human beings.

The word 'reincarnation' is in relation to thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 'you', individually human beings, WANTING and DESIRING to live longer than 'you' are going to.

'you' do NOT 'come back'. 'you', however, do live forever more, but, literally, NOT in the form that some of 'you' IMAGINE 'you' could.

[Age]

I just KNOW of a concept of 'reincarnation' that does not just work but which ACTUALLY ALSO FITS IN PERFECTLY with ALL of the other words and their Correct definitions, or concepts.

Well I can't take that concept into account, because I don't know it. Will you tell us what it is?

As you said, your intent for this thread is to ridicule reincarnation.

But it is EXTREMELY SIMPLE and EASY to ridicule and reject a notion/concept of some 'thing', which is NONSENSICAL and NOT REAL from the outset.

Unless Age's intent is the same as yours, he would be a fool to answer you seriously.

Some people say it can be VERY FOOLISH to PRESUME, some, 'things'.

[Age]

Quantum mechanics seems bonkers too. I hope reincarnation IS bonkers. Who wants to go through this all over again?

It is an ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY for a 'you' to 'go through this all over again'. So, no matter who wants to, it is NEVER going to happen.

Next time you could be a sad little insect being slowly consumed by a bigger insect

OR, it could be said, 'you' could be a happy little insect who lives well into so-called 'old age'.

How many insects live to old age?

WHAT IS 'old age'?

That term/phrase is about one of the most 'relative' term and phrases around. Although absolutely EVERY thing is 'relative', to the 'observer', anyway

Most get eaten, idiot, and the rest get squished or sprayed with poison which burns their insides out.

LOL

And, 'I' am the IDIOT.

Also, WHY did you NOT mention the 'happy' part here.

Oh, and by the way, you appear to have MISSED the WHOLE POINT.

[Age]

Obviously.

But what happens if 'reincarnation' is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, but it is only your OWN Wrong INTERPRETATIONS of what 'reincarnation' IS, which is what is ACTUALLY BONKERS?

WHO then would be the ones of 'ridicule'?

The ones who enter and respond to a hypothetical world such as you create with your questions, under conditions admittedly designed by the thread creator that are intended to ridicule. That's who.

Have 'you' REALLY, STILL NOT YET WORKED OUT that different people have different versions/definitions/concepts/notions for words, and that it is SOLELY the versions/definitions/concepts/notions of a word, which COULD BE, so-called, 'bonkers'?

The 'hypothetical world', which 'you' refer to here, is based upon a BONKERS 'concept' of the word 'reincarnation'. So, if 'we' CHANGE the 'concept' of the word 'reincarnation', to one that ACTUALLY WORKS, then what is FOUND, and SEEN, is that 'reincarnation' WORKS PERFECTLY in this One and ONLY 'world' that EXISTS.

[Age]

How many insects live to old age? Most get eaten, idiot, and the rest get squished or sprayed with poison which burns their insides out.

There's always more pests where they came from.

Shirley, you know the story of DDT. After an hysterical banning of the chemical by frantic Leftists, millions of humans have died of malaria, which was getting under control before they, the crazy Leftists, stuck their snouts into it.

Do you understand that?

Do you UNDERSTAND that the ONLY True PEST on earth are HUMAN BEINGS?

[Age]

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Hey, thanks for the thoughtful response.

There's all kinds of ways to deal with folks who admittedly have no respect for words and meanings, in a dimension, a realm, where we only exist as words.

Is BELIEVING that one's OWN 'meaning/definition' for a word is the ONLY 'version' having 'respect' for words and meanings?