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surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:42 am

Age wrote:
Are there thoughts within that body ?
Is there a Mind within that body ?

If yes to both of these then one can be FAIRLY certain that these things actually exist even though they can NOT be seen with the physical eyes
They can however be SEEN with and by the Minds EYE AND UNDERSTOOD and KNOWN by this Mind

If however the answer is no to either or both of these questions then maybe that you is NOT prepared to LOOK AT and STUDY these things

Brain activity can be detected under an MRI scanner so thoughts can be seen

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:42 amBut language is the product of thought so even without MRI evidence it is definitely certain that they exist not fairly certain

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:42 amThere is a mind within every functioning body because mind is a function of the brain but if there is also a Mind I cannot say

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:17 pm

Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:09 am Ever heard that there are NO actual problems in Life, and that ONLY human beings MAKE UP 'problems'?

Would you say it's the human mind or the human brain that makes up problems?

WHY would ask me such a question when you ALREADY KNOW my VIEW on the Mind?

Age wrote:
mind being a function of a brain is a human made up concept and what you agree with and accept is true. You have also stated that you will
NOT change this definition which is just fine with me. But this perception does NOT fit in with the bigger picture that I SEE which I SAY is the
WHOLE picture or the actual and real Truth of things

Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:13 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:12 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:03 am

You are the ONE that stated "we" ARE DEFINITE about some thing. NOT me.

Also, in case you are yet unaware, some people use the"we" word in an ATTEMPT to TRY TO "justify" that their own BELIEFS are somehow correct. Just like what YOU just did.

Because of your total lack of ability to clarify my question the "we" in your statement could refer to you and your self ONLY. Considering your statement proposes 100% absolute DEFINITE certainty, then the chances that that "we" refers to any one else besides YOU only, is only getting slimmer all the time.

YOU can't make sense of what people write even though it's pretty clear

If you want to work on yourself and try to fix your schizophrenic thought patterns, then my suggestion is to learn the cognitive restructuring techniques in this book and apply them https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-New ... 0380810336 you seem to have all the time in the world anyway. It was mainly designed against depression but can be used for broken psychotic thought patterns as well. But a philosophy forum is not a free therapy session.

Well you seem to like giving out free diagnoses with plenty of free advice.

But you rarely, if ever, respond to what I have ACTUALLY POINTED OUT and SHOWN. One example is in this very quote here: In just one post of yours you write that you/we are DEFINITE about some thing, but later on in the exact same post that nothing is ever 100% DEFINITE. So, if you just want to completely TRYING TO deflect away from THAT and just keep looking at ME, then feel FREE to keep going in that direction. Your actions, obviously, speak a lot CLEARER than your words do.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:17 pm

Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:22 pm
Would you say it's the human mind or the human brain that makes up problems?

WHY would ask me such a question when you ALREADY KNOW my VIEW on the Mind?

I am asking you this clarifying question because you mistakenly believe that I know what your view on the Mind is.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:14 amI don't know what your view is.

Logik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:14 amI am not a mind-reader.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:25 pm

Age wrote:
mind being a function of a brain is a human made up concept and what you agree with and accept is true. You have also stated that you will
NOT change this definition which is just fine with me. But this perception does NOT fit in with the bigger picture that I SEE which I SAY is the
WHOLE picture or the actual and real Truth of things

If Mind is another word for God then I dont accept it because I dont believe in God

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:25 pmBut if it is another word for Universe then I do accept it because it obviously exists

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:13 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:12 am
YOU can't make sense of what people write even though it's pretty clear

If you want to work on yourself and try to fix your schizophrenic thought patterns, then my suggestion is to learn the cognitive restructuring techniques in this book and apply them https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-New ... 0380810336 you seem to have all the time in the world anyway. It was mainly designed against depression but can be used for broken psychotic thought patterns as well. But a philosophy forum is not a free therapy session.

Well you seem to like giving out free diagnoses with plenty of free advice.

But you rarely, if ever, respond to what I have ACTUALLY POINTED OUT and SHOWN. One example is in this very quote here: In just one post of yours you write that you/we are DEFINITE about some thing, but later on in the exact same post that nothing is ever 100% DEFINITE. So, if you just want to completely TRYING TO deflect away from THAT and just keep looking at ME, then feel FREE to keep going in that direction. Your actions, obviously, speak a lot CLEARER than your words do.

What you have shown is that you don't comrehend ordinary human language, for example you think that I wrote the first time that I'm 100% definite about something.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pmThat's pretty bad, especially after I already tried to beat it into you many times that obviously nothing is ever 100% definite.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pmYou've shown your deficiencies like a hundred times to me, that's why I suggested cognitive restructuring.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:08 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:13 am

Well you seem to like giving out free diagnoses with plenty of free advice.

But you rarely, if ever, respond to what I have ACTUALLY POINTED OUT and SHOWN. One example is in this very quote here: In just one post of yours you write that you/we are DEFINITE about some thing, but later on in the exact same post that nothing is ever 100% DEFINITE. So, if you just want to completely TRYING TO deflect away from THAT and just keep looking at ME, then feel FREE to keep going in that direction. Your actions, obviously, speak a lot CLEARER than your words do.

What you have shown is that you don't comrehend ordinary human language, for example you think that I wrote the first time that I'm 100% definite about something.

Are you 100% definitely certain that you did NOT?

You did, after all, write: Based on everything we know about the world, there is definitely no such mind's eye. So, when you said "definitely" here did you mean 100%, or less than 100%? The word "definitely" if you were unsure does mean and bring with it a connotation of 100%, some times.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pmThat's pretty bad, especially after I already tried to beat it into you many times that obviously nothing is ever 100% definite.

Just because you repeatedly TRY some thing, than, in itself, does NOT mean it is true, right, or correct.

You did, after all, also write: This is totally not the "actual truth" you moron. So, when you say "totally" do mean 100%, or less than 100%? The word "totally" if you were unsure, does mean and bring with it a connotation of 100%, some times.

So, this is just two examples of when you appear to be saying things with 100% definite certainty.

Now, you can write like you are absolutely sure of some things and propose them as being 100% definitely true, AND THEN say that "obviously nothing is ever 100% definite". But, if some thing appears contradictory to me, then I will POINT IT OUT, and question it, for clarity. If, however, you can NOT or WILL NOT clarify, and TRY and deflect away from what I have been POINTING OUT and SHOWING, then that is another matter, which to some I have just brought to light, and SHOWN.

Just MAYBE who is NOT comprehending "ordinary" human language is NOT the that one you THINK it is? Just some thing to consider and THINK about more.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pmYou've shown your deficiencies like a hundred times to me, that's why I suggested cognitive restructuring.

Part of the human conditioning, which is obviously wrong, is people are created SEEING things that are actually NOT even there. Therefore, when you say I have SHOWN you some thing, "like a hundred times" or even once, the Truth MIGHT BE that what you are SEEING is actually NOT even here. It may well be, but, if you were Truly Honest with your self, then it MIGHT NOT BE, also. Only when, and IF, you are Truly OPEN, then you will SEE what the actual Truth IS.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:22 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:08 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pm
What you have shown is that you don't comrehend ordinary human language, for example you think that I wrote the first time that I'm 100% definite about something.

Are you 100% definitely certain that you did NOT?

You did, after all, write: Based on everything we know about the world, there is definitely no such mind's eye. So, when you said "definitely" here did you mean 100%, or less than 100%? The word "definitely" if you were unsure does mean and bring with it a connotation of 100%, some times.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pmThat's pretty bad, especially after I already tried to beat it into you many times that obviously nothing is ever 100% definite.

Just because you repeatedly TRY some thing, than, in itself, does NOT mean it is true, right, or correct.

You did, after all, also write: This is totally not the "actual truth" you moron. So, when you say "totally" do mean 100%, or less than 100%? The word "totally" if you were unsure, does mean and bring with it a connotation of 100%, some times.

So, this is just two examples of when you appear to be saying things with 100% definite certainty.

Now, you can write like you are absolutely sure of some things and propose them as being 100% definitely true, AND THEN say that "obviously nothing is ever 100% definite". But, if some thing appears contradictory to me, then I will POINT IT OUT, and question it, for clarity. If, however, you can NOT or WILL NOT clarify, and TRY and deflect away from what I have been POINTING OUT and SHOWING, then that is another matter, which to some I have just brought to light, and SHOWN.

Just MAYBE who is NOT comprehending "ordinary" human language is NOT the that one you THINK it is? Just some thing to consider and THINK about more.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 pmYou've shown your deficiencies like a hundred times to me, that's why I suggested cognitive restructuring.

Part of the human conditioning, which is obviously wrong, is people are created SEEING things that are actually NOT even there. Therefore, when you say I have SHOWN you some thing, "like a hundred times" or even once, the Truth MIGHT BE that what you are SEEING is actually NOT even here. It may well be, but, if you were Truly Honest with your self, then it MIGHT NOT BE, also. Only when, and IF, you are Truly OPEN, then you will SEE what the actual Truth IS.

For the 101th time: you are the one who doesn't get it.
There is also no 100% certain "actual truth", you are simply insane.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:32 pm After all it is YOU whi has been saying that some things are 100% certain actual truth

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:32 pm After all it is YOU whi has been saying that some things are 100% certain actual truth

I very clearly and explicitly stated the opposite of this many times.

I think it's fair to conclude then that you are a liar.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:19 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:32 pm After all it is YOU whi has been saying that some things are 100% certain actual truth

I very clearly and explicitly stated the opposite of this many times.

I think it's fair to conclude then that you are a liar.

What the Truth actually IS is there in the EVIDENCE, which has ALREADY been POINTED OUT, by me.

If you want to IGNORE that, then that is your choice.

Also, OF COURSE you have explicitly stated the opposite many times BUT you have also STATED what I have POINTED OUT, that is; you BELIEVE you KNOW some things with absolute certainty. The proof is in YOUR words.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:19 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:46 am
I very clearly and explicitly stated the opposite of this many times.

I think it's fair to conclude then that you are a liar.

What the Truth actually IS is there in the EVIDENCE, which has ALREADY been POINTED OUT, by me.

If you want to IGNORE that, then that is your choice.

Also, OF COURSE you have explicitly stated the opposite many times BUT you have also STATED what I have POINTED OUT, that is; you BELIEVE you KNOW some things with absolute certainty. The proof is in YOUR words.

Then quote where I wrote that I know some things with absolute certainty.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 amIf you still think that "definitely" meant absolute certainty then you need cognitive therapy, or you need to be locked away for good, as I already pointed out.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 amYou need to lie or hurt others in order to protect your own selfish insanity, it seems.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:19 am

What the Truth actually IS is there in the EVIDENCE, which has ALREADY been POINTED OUT, by me.

If you want to IGNORE that, then that is your choice.

Also, OF COURSE you have explicitly stated the opposite many times BUT you have also STATED what I have POINTED OUT, that is; you BELIEVE you KNOW some things with absolute certainty. The proof is in YOUR words.

Then quote where I wrote that I know some things with absolute certainty.

I have ALREADY, underlined in above posts of mine.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 amIf you still think that "definitely" meant absolute certainty then you need cognitive therapy, or you need to be locked away for good, as I already pointed out.

Until you TELL us what you meant when you wrote the word 'definetely', I will keeping thinking. If you will NOT clarify your own writings, then what do you want me to think?

Do NOT forget to clarify the 'totally' word also, which YOU have also used.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 amYou need to lie or hurt others in order to protect your own selfish insanity, it seems.

Did I 'hurt' you?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:43 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 am
Then quote where I wrote that I know some things with absolute certainty.

I have ALREADY, underlined in above posts of mine.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 amIf you still think that "definitely" meant absolute certainty then you need cognitive therapy, or you need to be locked away for good, as I already pointed out.

Until you TELL us what you meant when you wrote the word 'definetely', I will keeping thinking. If you will NOT clarify your own writings, then what do you want me to think?

Do NOT forget to clarify the 'totally' word also, which YOU have also used.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 amYou need to lie or hurt others in order to protect your own selfish insanity, it seems.

Did I 'hurt' you?

I have clarified in detail several times in the last half year.
You ignore all that = you are lying on purpose. You do this with everyone, the conclusion is that you would rather hurt others just in order to protect your own insanity about your absolute certainty.