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Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:06 am

The word 'reincarnation' is in relation to thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 'you', individually human beings, WANTING and DESIRING to live longer than 'you' are going to.

'you' do NOT 'come back'. 'you', however, do live forever more, but, literally, NOT in the form that some of 'you' IMAGINE 'you' could.

So here you are saying that the One and ONLY one....is all that exists, is all there is, and this one and only one is constantly changing form from one thing to another without taking away a thing or adding a thing to it's absolute wholeness, and that no thing can be added or taken away from what is always absolutely WHOLE.

Is that correct?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:22 am
Do you UNDERSTAND that the ONLY True PEST on earth are HUMAN BEINGS?

Is that what folks have been telling you, Age?
Maybe they're laying on some heavy hints.
Especially if they urge you to drink pest poison.
Just kidding.
Everyone knows that's just a figure of speech. Isn't it?

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Incarnation = “a concrete or actual form of a quality or concept.”
Re- (prefix) = “again: anew.”
Reincarnation = A new, actual form of a quality or concept.

Example: While watching television I saw the moving image of a yellow tabby cat. It was the literal reincarnation of our old house cat who years ago used up the last of his nine lives. Why literal?

According to the meaning of the above defined words, both the TV cat and our cat were “the actual form of cat qualities” and mannerisms, although the TV cat was just an image of cat form, not the actual form. The two cats appear to be the same cat to human eyes* because cats have few to no illusions that change the appearance of cat qualities, such as behavior.

As far as we know, neither do they have an ideal abstract concept of what it means to be a cat, although each cat can't help but be the essence of cat, an essence that is recognizable in the actual form of cat that reappears from cat to cat, the essence that philosophers struggle to define as a singular thing.

Cat ladies could likely chime in with some topical news items.


* a figure of speech that refers to all the senses

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:22 am
Do you UNDERSTAND that the ONLY True PEST on earth are HUMAN BEINGS?

Why is the human being the only true pest on earth?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:22 am
Do you UNDERSTAND that the ONLY True PEST on earth are HUMAN BEINGS?

Why is the human being the only true pest on earth?

Oh, you've never heard that expression before?

It's said by folks who think that the activities of humans, including reproduction, are destroying the earth and all living things, including themselves.

Surprised you don't know of this theory.

It's quite popular with the "Climate Change Cult."

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:01 pm I've been thinking about the possibility of reincarnation, and after much deliberation (one minute and twenty three seconds) I have concluded the notion to be utterly bonkers, and that's that.

Here you go, Harbal. I did the thinking for you.

However, I can't do the understanding for you.
However, here's a clue for you to remember forevermore.
Start with what you know.

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Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:23 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:32 pm People can’t be all that bad really….not when you see the amount of shagging that goes on.

I wonder if people knew they were shagging the devil - would they all then choose to become celibate?

That’s what Christianity wants you to believe that we are all born sinners.

Would you shag a sinner Walker?

You're a clown, DAM. A clown show.

But I wasn't a clown until you told me I was a clown...is that fair to say? A baby had absolutely no concept of itself, and the world until someone gave it a name, right?


According to your Christian belief, which we all know is just a fictional story...Here, written in the scripture...

Revelation 12:7–10
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray.

So according to this belief, the Devil is roaming the earth Walker.

Now, back down to earth...it does appear there is among it's midst a sensation called (Lust) a natural desire that seems to want to attract two people to come together in sexual union. A sexual chemisty put there by nature/evolution itself to lure and entice the continuation of the human species maybe, who knows?

This mutual attraction can be very intense between the opposite sexes. And it does seem that the more beautiful the womans face and body is, the more sexual attraction she exudes. But then what if this beautiful woman was really just the devil, would you still lust after her? or would you say to her, I'm sorry beautiful sexy woman, I think I'm just going to have to somehow someway resist my natural uncontrollable urges to fuck your brains out because the Bible informs me that you could be the devil.

Wouldn't it be better to all stay celibate so as to avoid spawning more sinful devils?

So yeah Walker, I welcome you to clown planet, the one we invented when we stuck that conceptual label on it, and believed it was real.

It appears I was right.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:30 am It appears I was right.

Wouldn't it be better to all stay celibate so as to avoid spawning more sinful devils?

We all know that you are just like IC, who evades at all cost the difficult questions.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:31 am

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:30 am It appears I was right.

Wouldn't it be better to all stay celibate so as to avoid spawing more sinful devils?

Listen carefully, because I'm not joining you in your rabbit hole, so if you don't understand this, then just let it go without whining for clarification.

- Your question is based on a premise.
- Your premise is based on scripture from The Holy Bible.
- I find it necessary to refrain from discussing scriptural references from The Holy Bible, with you.
- Neither do I have a need to interpret The Holy Bible, for you. I lack the academic credentials for Biblical perspective, and could only interpret based on what I know of life.
- Neither do I have a need to follow your reasoning, such as it is, that is based on your interpretation of The Holy Bible.
- The reasons are my own but basically, in case you didn't notice, I have no need.

- Where does that leave you? Either farting in the wind and savouring your own bouquet, or creating the need in me to climb into that haywire nest, the continuation of what has been.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:58 pm
Suicide is stupid especially since reincarnation is concerned. U kill yourself and then are born into the same shit or worse all over again -again with ALL your current knowledge wiped. Suicide is idiocy.

Age has previously stated.

The word 'reincarnation' is in relation to thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 'you', individually human beings, WANTING and DESIRING to live longer than 'you' are going to.

And so yes I agree, suicide is idiocy. Even though Age has suggested if suicided is known about then it can be for some people a way out of the torment that is their life.

But then as Age states, there is only thee One and ONLY one CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS. So it's even pointless and futile to attempt suicide.

Therefore, it's also only thee One and ONLY who hates being alive, or loves being alive anyway, therefore, there's just hating or loving life, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it because there is nothing but the self here all one hating and loving itself anyway, there is no thing else to oppose it or stop it from happening.


Philosophies: To Never Have Been
Strewn into the world, plucked from the veil
An existence unconsented
A consciousness awoken, now pain can be hailed
A life that has unrelented
I irrevocable, cannot be undone
Suicide not a solvent, I will always have existed
From myself nowhere to run
Pain is all, lacking pleasure, happiness resisted
If prevention of pain is your sole desire,
On my philosophy you should inquire


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Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:47 am
Listen carefully, because I'm not joining you in your rabbit hole, so if you don't understand this, then just let it go without whining for clarification.

That's because you are a lazy little fuck who cannot be bothered with someone who asks the diffi/cult questions.

And yet, isn't that one of the reasons you come to this forum, to unleash your philosophy, philosopher. I've noticed you parading around here like you believe you are this some kind of all knowing, all that. And yet when the going gets tough, you act like I'm the one who needs educating, but not by you, who is too lazy to be bothered with understanding the bottomless rabbit hole of reality that I like to delve into.

All you have ever done is dismissed me as a drama loving, whining woman, who is incapable of being guided, who according to you only resorts to saying mean and nasty things. Seems you've already made up your mind to write me off, and then you'll even say that by me saying such a thing like that to you, is just my victim mentality. So there's just not really any chance of us ever reconciling on anything philosophical really I suppose is there.


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Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:47 am - I find it necessary to refrain from discussing scriptural references from The Holy Bible, with you.
- Neither do I have a need to interpret The Holy Bible, for you. I lack the academic credentials for Biblical perspective, and could only interpret based on what I know of life.
- Neither do I have a need to follow your reasoning, such as it is, that is based on your interpretation of The Holy Bible.
- The reasons are my own but basically, in case you didn't notice, I have no need.

- Where does that leave you? Either farting in the wind and savouring your own bouquet, or creating the need in me to climb into that haywire nest, the continuation of what has been.

Exactly my point Walker.

Interpretation is all that the human mind is capable of in order to understand their reality. Once upon a time, someone invented many many words, then strung them altogether to make a sentence, and then strung all those sentences together to make a chapter in a story that became a book, comprised of illusory invisible believing thoughts, ink and paper. All which of which when set fire to by a flame, ends up as a pile of dust as though nothing ever was or happened.

Nothing you can ever think of is real is it Walker, except what your interpretation of what you want to believe is real. Some thought up thing that actually never exists out-there in reality. You can say my interpretations are misguided, as you take great pleasure in telling me I am incapable of being guided. Well that means one thing to me, only you can guide me, but only if I allow you to.

Dream on God.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:10 am Start with what you know.

I know you get on my nerves, but where do I go from there?

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:47 am I lack the academic credentials for Biblical perspective, and could only interpret based on what I know of life.
- Neither do I have a need to follow your reasoning, such as it is, that is based on your interpretation of The Holy Bible.
- The reasons are my own but basically, in case you didn't notice, I have no need.

- Where does that leave you? Either farting in the wind and savouring your own bouquet, or creating the need in me to climb into that haywire nest, the continuation of what has been.

It seems to me that you lack the academic credentials not just from the Biblical perspective but any perspective, especially when it comes to philosophy and the nature of reality.


Why haven't you put me on the ignore list if I am just such a haywire nest in your opinion. Why do you to this day still give away your precious attention to my posts when all you have to do is ignore them completely.

I notice Harbal is a man of few words, unlike you who cannot stop wording off.


Also, just so you know Harbal has said some awful and unkind words to me in some of the earlier discussions we have had on this forum, but never once did Harbal ever come across to me personally as a condescending alpha male type who seems to enjoy talking to women as though they were a piece of shit on their shoe.

You on the other hand, onlycome across to me anyway, as a woman basher. As a woman, I sense your entire demeanor at this forum is disrepectful to women. Maybe that's a bit harsh and too strong, but you seem to see them as if they are just not worth your time and effort. That's all you have ever exuded from your male presence here anyway. I even sincerely apologised to you once, but you chose to completely ignore it, because in your mind I am a hopeless case, and apologies are just so meaningless and futile, so be it.

Quite the contrast to Harbal, who is the most perfect gentlemen in everyway shape and form.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:21 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:10 am

But what happens if 'reincarnation' is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, but it is only your OWN Wrong INTERPRETATIONS of what 'reincarnation' IS, which is what is ACTUALLY BONKERS?

WHO then would be the ones of 'ridicule'?

But NOTHING is happening, it only appears to be happening.

The truth, or falsehood, of this statement speaks for itself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:21 am No one has ever seen reincarnation happen, it's just a concept known by no one.

What concept/version of 'reincarnation' are 'you' using here, "dontaskme"?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:21 am No one knows they die or live, only in concept is that known, and that known is unknowable, it's an illusion.

Wrong, AGAIN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:21 am Nothing is reincarnating, it only appears to be, albeit illusory.

What, EXACTLY, appears to be reincarnating to 'you', "dontaskme"?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:21 am Where is yesterday, where is tomorrow, these places are only here now known in the only knowing there is which is consciousness that doesn't move or age. Consciousness is the timeless witness, the unmoving presence that is only here now, where nothing ever moved, or happened, except what appears to happen as and through this conception, albeit illusory.

ONCE MORE, 'this' speaks for itself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:21 am Concepts known by no one is a story written by no one, and read by consciousness which is everyhwere as the silent ageless perfectly still witness always now.. No person has seen their own consciousness, because it has been overlayed by words/concepts made-up to look like images which are superimposed by the mind upon what will always be the empty blank screen of consciousness.

You cannot see consciousness directly, you would have to remove the conceptual overlay that is an image to see consciousness. But you cannot remove the image to get to the consciousness because you need consciousness to know you have removed the image. Therefore both the imageless and the image have to be one and the same reality in the exact same instance. And is why life is an illusion, because it is nothing more than an image of the imageless.

And the Walkers and the Iwannaplatos do not want you to talk about these philosophical findings, it's abusive and disrespectful according to them. Some people just cannot handle information like that, it's not what they have been conditioned to believe, they'd rather just stay in the comfortable convenient lie that has been fed to them from cradle to grave.

WHERE did 'you' get 'this information' from, EXACTLY?