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Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:57 pm
by henry quirk
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:38 pm
Generally, when people move to critiquing style -- 9 times out of 10 -- the purpose is to undermine what has been said.
That makes me the
1 out of ten, then.
What, if anything, makes sense, and what doesn't?
In my own way: I've already offered point & counterpoint to your perspective in the
Christianity thread (and elsewhere). Anyone with an interest can go
there. Broadly, though, my points and counters are plastered -- plainly, with next to no ornamentation -- in every substantial post I put up. Anyone wantin' to compare & contrast ought have little problem figurin' where I stand or what I think and how I stand with or against them.
As for
this thread. I have little interest in going 'round & 'round with atheists about their religion, and no interest in the
socializin'.
I stuck my head in the door only to say
no, that ain't garbage...it's sumthin' worth payin' attention to.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:58 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Henry, you have just insinuated a great deal, but then declined to back it up. What value then does your comment have? What purpose?
This is how conversation goes here, so often it is painful.
t's sumthin' worth payin' attention to.
Yet even that needs to be pointed up .. or it is not really much of a statement.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:59 pm
by Gary Childress
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:57 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:38 pm
Generally, when people move to critiquing style -- 9 times out of 10 -- the purpose is to undermine what has been said.
That makes me the
1 out of ten, then.
What, if anything, makes sense, and what doesn't?
In my own way: I've already offered point & counterpoint to your perspective in the
Christianity thread (and elsewhere). Anyone with an interest can go
there. Broadly, though, my points and counters are plastered -- plainly, with next to no ornamentation -- in every substantial post I put up. Anyone wantin' to compare & contrast ought have little problem figurin' where I stand or what I think and how I stand with or against them.
As for
this thread. I have little interest in going 'round & 'round with atheists about their religion, and no interest in the
socializin'.
I stuck my head in the door only to say
no, that ain't garbage...it's sumthin' worth payin' attention to.
Yes, we know it's something to pay attention to, we're just trying to figure out what to do with it now. Do you have any suggestions? Should we clean it up, let it stick, or hand him a prize?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:00 pm
by Dontaskme
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:38 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:30 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:29 pm
Babble begets babble
But Henry has told us that it's not rubbish. So do we clean it up or let it stick?
I'm referring to this kind of babble :
Who sees two playing the same game, but the same one, not two.
Ultimately nothing makes sense.
Don't make sense.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:08 pm
by Dontaskme
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:40 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:28 pm
Sorry, but I don't agree with you Iwannaplato that there is a 'someone' who is conscious.
And, to take that literally: you certainly don't have to be sorry you don't agree. And then less literally: I know you don't agree. I assume you'd let me know if you agreed. I don't assume my responses will convince you.
For me it's more like this. You start a thread or make posts, sometimes calling in experts, to put forth a position. I reply, often, regarding how your position or these quotes don't convince me.
Truly, truly, I have little expectation that you will drop your position on things.
I've seen it happen in 20 years of online discussions, but it's so rare. I've shifted on a number of issues, but generally that connected more to experiences I had in the world and no while on line. Perhaps some online discussions did some nudging.
A 'someone' is an assumption, it is an idea.
The whole dialog above is unwritten, including this dialog that is being read right now. Where is the consciousness that is supposed to have written, and is reading this dialog exactly?
This whole thread is about not-knowing. An atheist is one who knows they do not know, and also knows there is No atheist who is knowing it is an atheist who knows it does not know.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:10 pm
by Harbal
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:57 pm
I stuck my head in the door only to say
no, that ain't garbage...it's sumthin' worth payin' attention to.
Stop it, henry, somebody might take you seriously.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:12 pm
by henry quirk
This is how conversation goes
I've been here since '08: I'm kinda talked out.
declined to back it up
My
backing is all over the forum, going back
years.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:13 pm
by Dontaskme
There is no 'someone' who knows what consciousness is. It's obviously known, but it's never seen as an object or thing like a 'some thing' is.
If consciousness is an object that can be seen, then what does consciousness look like?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:14 pm
by Dontaskme
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:12 pm
This is how conversation goes
I've been here since '08: I'm kinda talked out.
declined to back it up
My
backing is all over the forum, going back
years.
Then all you are doing is backing a dead horse by repeatingly flogging it.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:15 pm
by Dontaskme
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:10 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:57 pm
I stuck my head in the door only to say
no, that ain't garbage...it's sumthin' worth payin' attention to.
Stop it, henry, somebody might take you seriously.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:19 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:08 pm
The whole dialog above is unwritten, including this dialog that is being read right now. Where is the consciousness that is supposed to have written, and is reading this dialog exactly?
It is where it is not, and
it is not! I'm catching on to this. Hey, I
like this game! But now I'm burnt and will need a rest.
Whew! I thought Zen requires
less exertion.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:21 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:13 pm
If consciousness is an object that can be seen, then what does consciousness look like?
A luminous mosquito?!?
(I'm having a
déjà vu).
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:23 pm
by Gary Childress
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:14 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:12 pm
This is how conversation goes
I've been here since '08: I'm kinda talked out.
declined to back it up
My
backing is all over the forum, going back
years.
Then all you are doing is backing a dead horse by repeatingly flogging it.
If it's a dead horse, then perhaps we should send what we thought was the goulash or whatever to the morgue or a pet cemetery? Please tell me you're not referring to my guest, dear. If so I had no idea I invited any dead animals into the forum. I apologize. This is just getting worse. I'm starting to regret having let him in.
@AJ you said you had a "pony in the race". Is the dead horse perhaps yours? Did you bring a pony with you?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:24 pm
by Gary Childress
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:19 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:08 pm
The whole dialog above is unwritten, including this dialog that is being read right now. Where is the consciousness that is supposed to have written, and is reading this dialog exactly?
It is where it is not, and
it is not! I'm catching on to this. Hey, I
like this game! But now I'm burnt and will need a rest.
Whew! I thought Zen requires
less exertion.
Is that zen on the floor? If so what do we do with all that zen?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:36 pm
by Dontaskme
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:21 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:13 pm
If consciousness is an object that can be seen, then what does consciousness look like?
A luminous mosquito?!?
(I'm having a
déjà vu).
No, consciousness does not look like a luminous mosquito, try again.
And while you are at it with your pondering mind, try to imagine the world according to the world of a mosquito, if you can, then describe in detail, what the world looks like from the mosquito's perspective?
In fact just tell us what it is like to be a mosquito?
